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Puzzles.

When , therefore , our Bro . Hyneman , in his ponderings and puzzlings , found Anderson alluding contemptuously to the "Mother of English Masonry , " "The Grand Lodge of all England , " as the old lodge at York city , and , furthermore found

that Preston , though he certainly venerated York with all the fervour of a Philadelpliiati , yet ho stigmatised the Dermott party as schismatics , etc ., we certainly cannot feel surprised that he pitched into Anderson and Preston as he did .

Preston says : "A number of dissatisfied brethren , having separated themselves from the regular lodges , held meetings in different places for the purpose of initiatins

persons into Masonry contrary to the laws of the G . L ., these seceding brethren taking advantage of tho breach which had been made in the friendly intercourse between the Grand Lodges of London and York , " etc . The truth , however , was , the seceding

brethren did not take advantage on account of any such interruption between those Grand Lodges , for , in the first place , there is nn evidence that there ever was friendl y intercourse between those Grand Lodges . And secondl y , at the time of the schism , there

was no G . L . in York to be offended with what tho G . L . of England may have done . Bro . Preston would have written more correctl y if he had stated that the discontented Masons in London took advantage of the then supposed extinction of the G . L . of York , and , thereupon , impertinently palmed themselves off as the

" Ancient G . L . of York- , " or as its legal successor . These facts , as already remarked , were either unknown to Bro . Hyneman or were discarded b y him , and hence he worked himself up into a passion with Preston , upon that part of Preston ' s history

which just happened to bo true . But here , I suppose , my nervous Bro . A em ? t-s is getting fidgety ; I almost imagine hearing him exclaim , "What is Bro . J . N . driving at ? What had tho G . L . of York to do with Halifax , or Halifax with Bro .

Hyneman ? " But patience , patience , my good Bro . Nonius ; I merely want to introduce the preambles of two charters , sent out to Halifax b y the Grand Lodge of the Ancients ; both charters are signed "Lau Dermott , G . Sec , " and these are respectivel y dated 1757 and 1768 ; and I will next add a few remarks which I think will satisf y even our Philadelphia !!

brethren that Lau Dermott was not exactly a saint . Hero are the preambles side by side : — CHARTER OF 1757 . CHARTER OF 1768 . " We the Grand Lodge " We the Grand Lodge of the most Ancient and of the most Ancient and

Honourable Fraternity of Honourable Fraternity of Free and Accepted York Free and Accepted Ma-Mnsons . " sons , according to the old Constitution granted by His Pioyal Higliness Prince Edwin of York . "

The different kind of phraseology in the above documents ( as my intelligent friend Bro . Brennan remarked ) would never have been noticed , or if noticed , it would have been attributed to a mere whim , if Bro . Findel had not made known that the

Grand Lodge of York went to sleep from 1730 , or' thereabouts , to 1761 . It is evident then , from , the alteration in the phraseology of the above-named charters , that previous to 1761 , Bro . Dermott pretended to have derived his authority from

the Grand Lodge of York , but after the York G . L . resuscitated itself , he changed the laimuao'e , and introduced "His Royal Highness Prince Edwin , " etc . But here I come to another puzzle . Bro . Brennan describes the seal attached

to the 1757 documents to be " slightly oval , " having in the upper part of the surface a scpiare and compass , with a naked dagger in the lower part ; the whole

partially surrounded with the words , " Virtue and Silence ; " but on the charter of 1768 , a photograph of which lies before me , and a copy of it may be seen in Bro . Hervey's office at Freemason ' s Hall , the seal of that instrument is square , and

it differs also in the inscription from those described by Bro . Brennan . Query . Did the York G . L , have a seal before 17-30 ? and if so , did it resemble the seal of Dermott of 1757 ? There is still another puzzle . But'I

must hero premise , that in 1757 Dermott sent three documents , to Halifax , viz : a Provincial Grand Master ' s Deputation to Erasmus James Phillips , and two charters for lodges , respectively , marked No . 2 and No . 3 . All the preambles read alikeand

, all are headed with the name of the G . M . followed by those of the Grand Officers . Bro . Brennan thinks that the name of the G . M . is an autograph signature , but

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Monthly Masonic Summary. Article 1
THE INITIATION OF PRINCE ARTHUR INTO FREEMASONRY. Article 2
THE AREA ROUND ST. PAUL'S. Article 3
THE OLD MASONIC POEM. Article 3
BOOKSTORE PRIORY. Article 5
THE LIFE OF BRO. GEORGE OLIVER, D.D. Article 8
THE NEW MORALITY, 1874. Article 11
A COOL PROPOSAL. Article 12
ROYAL ARCH ADDRESS. Article 14
MODERN MEANINGS TO OLD WORDS. Article 17
ROMAN CATHOLICISM AND FREEMASONRY.—THE CHATHAM OUTRAGE. Article 17
THE MYSTIC TIE. Article 21
PUZZLES. Article 21
Reviews. Article 24
WEARING THE MASONIC EMBLEMS. Article 25
SYMBOL LANGUAGE. Article 26
FREEMASONRY AS A CONSERVATOR OF THE ARTS AND SCIENCES. Article 26
A SPEECH BY MARK TWAIN. Article 29
READING MASONS AT HOME AND ABROAD. Article 30
Our Archaeological Corner. Article 30
Questions and Answers. Article 31
Monthly Odds and Ends. Article 31
TOO GOOD TO BE LOST. Article 32
ADVICE . Article 32
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Puzzles.

When , therefore , our Bro . Hyneman , in his ponderings and puzzlings , found Anderson alluding contemptuously to the "Mother of English Masonry , " "The Grand Lodge of all England , " as the old lodge at York city , and , furthermore found

that Preston , though he certainly venerated York with all the fervour of a Philadelpliiati , yet ho stigmatised the Dermott party as schismatics , etc ., we certainly cannot feel surprised that he pitched into Anderson and Preston as he did .

Preston says : "A number of dissatisfied brethren , having separated themselves from the regular lodges , held meetings in different places for the purpose of initiatins

persons into Masonry contrary to the laws of the G . L ., these seceding brethren taking advantage of tho breach which had been made in the friendly intercourse between the Grand Lodges of London and York , " etc . The truth , however , was , the seceding

brethren did not take advantage on account of any such interruption between those Grand Lodges , for , in the first place , there is nn evidence that there ever was friendl y intercourse between those Grand Lodges . And secondl y , at the time of the schism , there

was no G . L . in York to be offended with what tho G . L . of England may have done . Bro . Preston would have written more correctl y if he had stated that the discontented Masons in London took advantage of the then supposed extinction of the G . L . of York , and , thereupon , impertinently palmed themselves off as the

" Ancient G . L . of York- , " or as its legal successor . These facts , as already remarked , were either unknown to Bro . Hyneman or were discarded b y him , and hence he worked himself up into a passion with Preston , upon that part of Preston ' s history

which just happened to bo true . But here , I suppose , my nervous Bro . A em ? t-s is getting fidgety ; I almost imagine hearing him exclaim , "What is Bro . J . N . driving at ? What had tho G . L . of York to do with Halifax , or Halifax with Bro .

Hyneman ? " But patience , patience , my good Bro . Nonius ; I merely want to introduce the preambles of two charters , sent out to Halifax b y the Grand Lodge of the Ancients ; both charters are signed "Lau Dermott , G . Sec , " and these are respectivel y dated 1757 and 1768 ; and I will next add a few remarks which I think will satisf y even our Philadelphia !!

brethren that Lau Dermott was not exactly a saint . Hero are the preambles side by side : — CHARTER OF 1757 . CHARTER OF 1768 . " We the Grand Lodge " We the Grand Lodge of the most Ancient and of the most Ancient and

Honourable Fraternity of Honourable Fraternity of Free and Accepted York Free and Accepted Ma-Mnsons . " sons , according to the old Constitution granted by His Pioyal Higliness Prince Edwin of York . "

The different kind of phraseology in the above documents ( as my intelligent friend Bro . Brennan remarked ) would never have been noticed , or if noticed , it would have been attributed to a mere whim , if Bro . Findel had not made known that the

Grand Lodge of York went to sleep from 1730 , or' thereabouts , to 1761 . It is evident then , from , the alteration in the phraseology of the above-named charters , that previous to 1761 , Bro . Dermott pretended to have derived his authority from

the Grand Lodge of York , but after the York G . L . resuscitated itself , he changed the laimuao'e , and introduced "His Royal Highness Prince Edwin , " etc . But here I come to another puzzle . Bro . Brennan describes the seal attached

to the 1757 documents to be " slightly oval , " having in the upper part of the surface a scpiare and compass , with a naked dagger in the lower part ; the whole

partially surrounded with the words , " Virtue and Silence ; " but on the charter of 1768 , a photograph of which lies before me , and a copy of it may be seen in Bro . Hervey's office at Freemason ' s Hall , the seal of that instrument is square , and

it differs also in the inscription from those described by Bro . Brennan . Query . Did the York G . L , have a seal before 17-30 ? and if so , did it resemble the seal of Dermott of 1757 ? There is still another puzzle . But'I

must hero premise , that in 1757 Dermott sent three documents , to Halifax , viz : a Provincial Grand Master ' s Deputation to Erasmus James Phillips , and two charters for lodges , respectively , marked No . 2 and No . 3 . All the preambles read alikeand

, all are headed with the name of the G . M . followed by those of the Grand Officers . Bro . Brennan thinks that the name of the G . M . is an autograph signature , but

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