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    Article DIFFICULTY OF ASCERTAINING THE AGE OF UNDATED OLD MASONIC MSS. ← Page 2 of 5 →
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Difficulty Of Ascertaining The Age Of Undated Old Masonic Mss.

That the spelling is no proof of its haA'ing been Avrittenin the 17 th century , I could prove from hundreds of documents in our LaAV Courts , Avritten after 1733 . But I beg to call Bro . Woodford ' s attention to the fac-simile of the Boston petition in 1773 , to Henry Price , to constitute the undersigned , into a Lodge ,

which accompanied Bro . W . S . Gardner ' s address on Henry Price . Therein , he will find , Brittain , y ; y ' - f- capacitys , y , att , w ' etc , and if in addition to the above , our Brother Avould reperuse the facsimile of Henry Price ' s letter ( AVIUCII

Ave sent him about a year ago ) , dated 1770 , he would become fully satisfied that bad spelling , etc ., is no evidence of its being written in the 17 th century . The fact is , it is possible that two MSS . were written in the same year

, say 1730 . Yet one of them may appear as being one hundred or . even more years older than the other . This may be owing to the different standards of education of the writers . As an instance , the chirography and spelling

of Henry Price ' s letter of 1770 , seems older than the Sloane MS ., which was probably Avritten in 1725 or 1730 . Secondly , the oldest looking M . S . may have been Avritten by a Provincialist , where the old style of writing , spelling ,

and speaking , is a hundred years behind that of the intellectual centre , which leads the way to innovation or improvement in language , spelling , etc . And thirdly , the two MSS . may have been penned by educated men , say in London

at the above date , but one of the writers Avas seventy-five or eighty years of age when he penned the scraAAd , and the other was only twenty-five years old ; one left school sixty years before 1730 and the other onlten ;

, y years hence , the penmanship , spelling , language , etc ., of one willhavetheappearauce of greater antiquity than that of the other .

Our esteemed Bro . Woodford alludes to Bro . Findel ' s supposition , that Dr . Plot , who abused the Freemasons in 1686 , in his Natural History of Staffordshire , must have seen the identical

Sloane MS . To make this clear to our less informed readers , Ave shall give from Bro . Findel ' s History of Freemasonry ( page 118 , second edition ) , the quotation from the above-named work of Dr . Plot . The doctor says , "When any

one is admitted into this society ( of Freemasons ) , a meeting or lodge ( as it is called in many places ) is convoked , which consists at least of five or six of the elders of the confederacy ; they and their wives receive presents of gloves

from the candidate , and are entertained Avith a collation of some sort , regulated according to the usages of the place where they may happen to be . At the close of the repast , the ceremony of initiation begins , which consists

principally in the communicating of certain secret signs , whereby they recognise each other anywhere , and are therefore sure of protection wherever they may travel ; for when any one appears , and makes these signs to any member of the society who is an Accepted Mason , though mutually unknoAvn to

each other , yet the latter is compelled to attend the summons in whatever company or whatever place he may be , should he hav ' e to descend from the top of a church steeple to do so . " To this Bro . Findel adds in a note" Plot had

, tA \ o sources whence he derived his communication , viz ., a copy of the old Constitutions , and a MS . of the signs and usages of Freemasons . "

We shall show that our worthy friend Bro . Findel AA as rather too hasty in his inference with regard to the Sloane MS . Dr . Plot mentions a " scrole of parchment volume , " and makes no allusion to a MS . written on

paper . Furthermore , Dr . Plot seems to have imbibed so great a hatred to the Masons , as not only to lay the subject of Masonry into a work professing to treat of Natural History , but even took the trouble to hunt the history of

up Athelstan , and to ridicule the notion of Edwin being the son of the King . NOAV , if the Sloane MS ., or any other MS . of the kind had been in Plot ' s possession , that Mason hater Avould not

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Monthly Masonic Summary. Article 1
ANCIENT MASONIC LODGES, NO. IV. Article 2
THE OLD MASONIC POEM. Article 5
THE NEW MORALITY. Article 6
UNDER A MASK. Article 7
THE SEASON. Article 11
MASONIC ARCHAEOLOGY. Article 12
THE SPRIG OF ACACIA. Article 14
UNVEILED. Article 15
DIFFICULTY OF ASCERTAINING THE AGE OF UNDATED OLD MASONIC MSS. Article 17
JAM SATIS EST! Article 22
LET THERE BE LIGHT. Article 22
Untitled Article 23
Our Archaeological Corner. Article 24
THE SURVEY OF PALESTINE. Article 24
HOW HE LOST HER. Article 26
OLD AND NEW LODGES. Article 28
BENEFITS OF ADVERTISING. Article 29
ANCIENT CRAFT MASONRY. Article 29
THE GOOD FELLOW. Article 31
TIRED. Article 32
DISTINCTIONS OF LANGUAGE. Article 32
"BROTHERLY LOVE" WEIGHT, AND HIS TRIAL. Article 33
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Difficulty Of Ascertaining The Age Of Undated Old Masonic Mss.

That the spelling is no proof of its haA'ing been Avrittenin the 17 th century , I could prove from hundreds of documents in our LaAV Courts , Avritten after 1733 . But I beg to call Bro . Woodford ' s attention to the fac-simile of the Boston petition in 1773 , to Henry Price , to constitute the undersigned , into a Lodge ,

which accompanied Bro . W . S . Gardner ' s address on Henry Price . Therein , he will find , Brittain , y ; y ' - f- capacitys , y , att , w ' etc , and if in addition to the above , our Brother Avould reperuse the facsimile of Henry Price ' s letter ( AVIUCII

Ave sent him about a year ago ) , dated 1770 , he would become fully satisfied that bad spelling , etc ., is no evidence of its being written in the 17 th century . The fact is , it is possible that two MSS . were written in the same year

, say 1730 . Yet one of them may appear as being one hundred or . even more years older than the other . This may be owing to the different standards of education of the writers . As an instance , the chirography and spelling

of Henry Price ' s letter of 1770 , seems older than the Sloane MS ., which was probably Avritten in 1725 or 1730 . Secondly , the oldest looking M . S . may have been Avritten by a Provincialist , where the old style of writing , spelling ,

and speaking , is a hundred years behind that of the intellectual centre , which leads the way to innovation or improvement in language , spelling , etc . And thirdly , the two MSS . may have been penned by educated men , say in London

at the above date , but one of the writers Avas seventy-five or eighty years of age when he penned the scraAAd , and the other was only twenty-five years old ; one left school sixty years before 1730 and the other onlten ;

, y years hence , the penmanship , spelling , language , etc ., of one willhavetheappearauce of greater antiquity than that of the other .

Our esteemed Bro . Woodford alludes to Bro . Findel ' s supposition , that Dr . Plot , who abused the Freemasons in 1686 , in his Natural History of Staffordshire , must have seen the identical

Sloane MS . To make this clear to our less informed readers , Ave shall give from Bro . Findel ' s History of Freemasonry ( page 118 , second edition ) , the quotation from the above-named work of Dr . Plot . The doctor says , "When any

one is admitted into this society ( of Freemasons ) , a meeting or lodge ( as it is called in many places ) is convoked , which consists at least of five or six of the elders of the confederacy ; they and their wives receive presents of gloves

from the candidate , and are entertained Avith a collation of some sort , regulated according to the usages of the place where they may happen to be . At the close of the repast , the ceremony of initiation begins , which consists

principally in the communicating of certain secret signs , whereby they recognise each other anywhere , and are therefore sure of protection wherever they may travel ; for when any one appears , and makes these signs to any member of the society who is an Accepted Mason , though mutually unknoAvn to

each other , yet the latter is compelled to attend the summons in whatever company or whatever place he may be , should he hav ' e to descend from the top of a church steeple to do so . " To this Bro . Findel adds in a note" Plot had

, tA \ o sources whence he derived his communication , viz ., a copy of the old Constitutions , and a MS . of the signs and usages of Freemasons . "

We shall show that our worthy friend Bro . Findel AA as rather too hasty in his inference with regard to the Sloane MS . Dr . Plot mentions a " scrole of parchment volume , " and makes no allusion to a MS . written on

paper . Furthermore , Dr . Plot seems to have imbibed so great a hatred to the Masons , as not only to lay the subject of Masonry into a work professing to treat of Natural History , but even took the trouble to hunt the history of

up Athelstan , and to ridicule the notion of Edwin being the son of the King . NOAV , if the Sloane MS ., or any other MS . of the kind had been in Plot ' s possession , that Mason hater Avould not

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