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    Article DIFFICULTY OF ASCERTAINING THE AGE OF UNDATED OLD MASONIC MSS. ← Page 5 of 5
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Difficulty Of Ascertaining The Age Of Undated Old Masonic Mss.

Here is a specimen of Robert of Gloucester ' srhyming chronicle . Helived during the time of Edward the 1 st . This therefore , Avas the English in Gloucestershire at the close of the 13 th century : —

" Engelond ys a vrcl god fond , ich wene of echo loud best , Y-set in tlio ende of tlie world , as al in the west The see goth liym al about , lie stont as an yle Here fon lies durra the lasso donte , but liit be throw gyle , Of folc of tho selve he ys long eight hondred myle . "

Here is an extract from the Fabric Bolls of York Minster , 1370 : "Itte es ordayned by ye Ohapitre of ye Kirk of Saint Petyr of York yat all ye masounes yt sail wyrke till ye Averkes of ye same Kirk Saynte Petyr , sail

fra Mighelmesse day untill the firste Sonday of Lentyn . " ( Notice the different spelling of Saint )

The last specimen comes up to the style of our Masonic poem . But to SIIOAV that the modernization of our language did not advance spontaneously throughout the kingdom , Ave copy the folloAving from Disraeli ' s Amenities of

Literature , Avritten by a Kentish monk for the instruction or edification of the humbler classes in 1340 :

" Nou ich wills that ye ywite hou hitt is ywent Thet this Boe is ywrite mid Englis ' of Kent , This Boc is ymade vor lewede men Vor Vader and for Moder and vor otlier Ken . " The following brief epitaph upon the death of Caxton 1491 will ive an idea

, , g of the English at the close of the 15 th century : " Moder of Mere ! shyld him from thorrbul fynd Anil bring hym to ly if eternal that neuerhath yiuV And here are the titles of a Bible and

of a NCAV Testament of 1537 : "The Byble which is all the Holy Scripture , in Avhych are contayned the Okie and Kewe Testament truly and purely translated into Englysli . "— - " Hearcken to ye heavens and thou earth geaue eare , For the Lorde speaketh . "— " The Newe Testament of our Sauyor Jesu Christ ,

newly and dylygently translated into Englyshe , with annotacions in the mergent . To help the reader to the viiderstaiidyng of the text" ( notice here again the spelling of Englysli , and Englyshe . Oirthe title page of a Bible of 1539 , it is spelt Englyshe , and Englysshe ) .

We have already shown that the English language , inits development , Avas not uniform throughout the kindgom ; that in Kent in the 14 th century , it AA'as a century behind to what it Avas in York . Disraeli quotes Caxton , that in

his time ( the close of the 15 th century ) , " The English spoken in the Weald of Kent Avas as broad and rude English as is spoken in any place in the kingdom . " Therefore in examining undated MSS ., Avhere we have to rely wholly on the

evidence Aidiich its idiom affords , we should at least avoid expressing with certainty the precise age of such MS ., unless Ave knoAv the plac e of its birth . Thus , if ive kneAv that our Masonic poem Avas Avritten in LondonAve might fix its

, age to about the close of the 14 th century . But on the other hand , if it Avas a Kentish production , then it might have been Avritten one hundred years later . There are , hoAvever , other evidences connected with our MSS .,

about AAdiich Ave may express ourselves Avith more certainty . First , the purely Roman Catholic tone of the older MS . demonstrates clearly that it Avas written before the Reformation . And second , the total absence of all allusions to

Roman Catholicism and its peculiar dogmas , is in our opinion sufficient eAddence that the Mattheiv Cooke MS . Avas not compiled until after the Reformation .

Once more Ave beg most respectfully to remind our brethren , Avhen Avriting for the Masonic press upon any doubtful or disputed question , not to content themselves Avith merely saying , ' I have no doubt it is so , " but to furnish for our information , full reason for the faith that is in them .

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Monthly Masonic Summary. Article 1
ANCIENT MASONIC LODGES, NO. IV. Article 2
THE OLD MASONIC POEM. Article 5
THE NEW MORALITY. Article 6
UNDER A MASK. Article 7
THE SEASON. Article 11
MASONIC ARCHAEOLOGY. Article 12
THE SPRIG OF ACACIA. Article 14
UNVEILED. Article 15
DIFFICULTY OF ASCERTAINING THE AGE OF UNDATED OLD MASONIC MSS. Article 17
JAM SATIS EST! Article 22
LET THERE BE LIGHT. Article 22
Untitled Article 23
Our Archaeological Corner. Article 24
THE SURVEY OF PALESTINE. Article 24
HOW HE LOST HER. Article 26
OLD AND NEW LODGES. Article 28
BENEFITS OF ADVERTISING. Article 29
ANCIENT CRAFT MASONRY. Article 29
THE GOOD FELLOW. Article 31
TIRED. Article 32
DISTINCTIONS OF LANGUAGE. Article 32
"BROTHERLY LOVE" WEIGHT, AND HIS TRIAL. Article 33
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Note: This text has been automatically extracted via Optical Character Recognition (OCR) software.

Difficulty Of Ascertaining The Age Of Undated Old Masonic Mss.

Here is a specimen of Robert of Gloucester ' srhyming chronicle . Helived during the time of Edward the 1 st . This therefore , Avas the English in Gloucestershire at the close of the 13 th century : —

" Engelond ys a vrcl god fond , ich wene of echo loud best , Y-set in tlio ende of tlie world , as al in the west The see goth liym al about , lie stont as an yle Here fon lies durra the lasso donte , but liit be throw gyle , Of folc of tho selve he ys long eight hondred myle . "

Here is an extract from the Fabric Bolls of York Minster , 1370 : "Itte es ordayned by ye Ohapitre of ye Kirk of Saint Petyr of York yat all ye masounes yt sail wyrke till ye Averkes of ye same Kirk Saynte Petyr , sail

fra Mighelmesse day untill the firste Sonday of Lentyn . " ( Notice the different spelling of Saint )

The last specimen comes up to the style of our Masonic poem . But to SIIOAV that the modernization of our language did not advance spontaneously throughout the kingdom , Ave copy the folloAving from Disraeli ' s Amenities of

Literature , Avritten by a Kentish monk for the instruction or edification of the humbler classes in 1340 :

" Nou ich wills that ye ywite hou hitt is ywent Thet this Boe is ywrite mid Englis ' of Kent , This Boc is ymade vor lewede men Vor Vader and for Moder and vor otlier Ken . " The following brief epitaph upon the death of Caxton 1491 will ive an idea

, , g of the English at the close of the 15 th century : " Moder of Mere ! shyld him from thorrbul fynd Anil bring hym to ly if eternal that neuerhath yiuV And here are the titles of a Bible and

of a NCAV Testament of 1537 : "The Byble which is all the Holy Scripture , in Avhych are contayned the Okie and Kewe Testament truly and purely translated into Englysli . "— - " Hearcken to ye heavens and thou earth geaue eare , For the Lorde speaketh . "— " The Newe Testament of our Sauyor Jesu Christ ,

newly and dylygently translated into Englyshe , with annotacions in the mergent . To help the reader to the viiderstaiidyng of the text" ( notice here again the spelling of Englysli , and Englyshe . Oirthe title page of a Bible of 1539 , it is spelt Englyshe , and Englysshe ) .

We have already shown that the English language , inits development , Avas not uniform throughout the kindgom ; that in Kent in the 14 th century , it AA'as a century behind to what it Avas in York . Disraeli quotes Caxton , that in

his time ( the close of the 15 th century ) , " The English spoken in the Weald of Kent Avas as broad and rude English as is spoken in any place in the kingdom . " Therefore in examining undated MSS ., Avhere we have to rely wholly on the

evidence Aidiich its idiom affords , we should at least avoid expressing with certainty the precise age of such MS ., unless Ave knoAv the plac e of its birth . Thus , if ive kneAv that our Masonic poem Avas Avritten in LondonAve might fix its

, age to about the close of the 14 th century . But on the other hand , if it Avas a Kentish production , then it might have been Avritten one hundred years later . There are , hoAvever , other evidences connected with our MSS .,

about AAdiich Ave may express ourselves Avith more certainty . First , the purely Roman Catholic tone of the older MS . demonstrates clearly that it Avas written before the Reformation . And second , the total absence of all allusions to

Roman Catholicism and its peculiar dogmas , is in our opinion sufficient eAddence that the Mattheiv Cooke MS . Avas not compiled until after the Reformation .

Once more Ave beg most respectfully to remind our brethren , Avhen Avriting for the Masonic press upon any doubtful or disputed question , not to content themselves Avith merely saying , ' I have no doubt it is so , " but to furnish for our information , full reason for the faith that is in them .

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