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The Stuarts And Freemasonry.

necked with the order , but they will not be pilloried in your pages . The French " Ordre-du-Temple " assert that Ramsay ' s instructor Fenelon , was one of their members . In conclusion , if Mr . Pinkerton will oblige me with proof that the Lord Athol ( sic ) mentioned by the Duke of Perth in a letter to Lord

Ggilvy was not in Scotland in September , 1745 , 1 shall be glad to give it due weight , and thank him for the same . JOHN YAEKEE .

Masonic Notes And Queries.

MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES .

THE ROYAL ARCH AND THE MARK " DEGREE . " At page 93 , Bro . Binckes styles the Royal Arch degree as " a degree , by the way , of modern origin as compared with the Mark . '' I challenge his authority for that assertion , and am quite prepared to believe the Mark Degree to be considerabl than the

y younger Royal Arch Degree ; however , if he can prove the " " 'Mark Degree " to have been worked before 1730 , by all means give us the proof . An operative masou ' s mark is rather different from the " Mark Dearee . "W . P . B .

FIAT LUX" AND " ROYAL ARCH MASONRY . " In order to elucidate the truth , I have no objection io _ enter the lists as an opponent , in a friendly manner , with " Fiat Lux , " if he ' will either sign his own name to the articles from his pen , or send me his name aud address privatel y . I have an objection otherwise to

engage in the discussion now started between him and " Res Non Verba " without this being done , and I will explain why to " Fiat Lux" when he writes me . —W . J . HtTGUTAJr , Truro , Cornwall .

DOCTRINES AND CHURCHES . ( p . 8 S ) . Desaguliers aud Co . manufactured not only the ' doctrines , ' ' but also set up churches in which they might be preached . At first they largely used the Old material of other buildings , but that not sufficing , entirely new edifices were erected . In some cases ,

however , we find an old structure in situ used for the purpose of " preaching " the new " doctrine , " just as e . g . an old Jewish synagogue might he used as a Christian church . Desaguliers and Co . were therefore the authors of our Speculative Masonry , as well as of its English organisation . —W . P . B .

RES NON VERBA" AND " FIAT LUX . '' I have not the time to consider the random shots of " Fiat Lux . " Auyone who knows the history of the Eoyal _ Areh will be aware that the statements made by " Fiat Lux" are most erroneous . —RES NON VERBA .

LODGES OF GERMANY AND SCOTLAND . ( p . 88 ) . Previous to the Reformation the Masons were good Catholics , just the same as other crafts , and all alike had their particular patron saints . The Masons were simply common workmen or "labourers , " just as the wrights or others , and so far as "science"is concernedthe wriht is probablthe more scientific of

, g y the two . Pure imagination has raised the Mason as a wonderful genius , high above his fellow tradesmen ! which close inspection will anything but warrant . Germany and Scotland traded largely together several centuries ago .-See the "Burgh Records . " extracts I published lately . —W . P . B .

Masonic Notes And Queries.

" RES NON VEEBA" AND " HOLZ . I certainly misunderstood "Holz" respecting " a form of high grade Masonry , " as I thought he referred to the three Craft degrees , and not the lioyal Arch . My remarks , therefore , are cleaily unsuitable , under the circumstances , and consequently I withdraw them , so far as their application to the letter by " Holz" is concerned . —RES NON VEEBA .

CHARLES EDWARD AT LONGNOE . ( p . 67 ) . Who is " John Sleigh " who asserts that in 1745 Charles Edward , as Grand Master , signed a warrant of a Derbyshire lodge ? And where is said warrant now ? Also cause it , if in existence , to be shown to competent authority , so that we may he properly advised of its genuineness , if it be genuine ? I do not admit the pretended " fact " uutil I know more about it . —W . P . B .

MEXICO . The two Supreme Councils having united in Mexico wish to keep the power in the hands of the members of the 83 ° , but the lodges in Mexico having protested , require the constitutions of a Grand Lodge , to which , after some resistance , the Supreme Council will have to submit . —NOTA .

THE FREEMASONS MAGAZINE . A brother , member of Grand Lodge , asks what I think of the Freemasons' Magazine . Had my brother read certain contributions to that periodical in years not very long gone by , he would not have asked the question . However that he may not have the trouble

of looking through indexes , he shall know what I think . He shall have my opinion , but not , as he desires , my private opiuion . He shall have my public opinion . My opinion , then is , tbe Freemasons' Magazine is a diamond mine for brothers who possess it in its entirety , and will diligently examine its contents . —CHARLES PUETON COOPER .

CONTEOVEESY . In all kinds o f literary Controversy , to point out that an opponent has ascribed to you something that you have uot written , commonly tends only to the embitterment of the controversy . The effect of this misrepresentation is but temporary , and he is not a wise man who does not bear it patiently . —A PAST PBOT 1 NC 1 AL GRAND MASTEE .

GRAND LODGE OF HAMBURGH . The Grand Lodge of Hamburgh , founded in 1741 , one of the oldest and steadiest Grand Lodges of the continent , and which ruled over 21 lodges , is finally extinct . It continued after the fall of the kingdom in 1 SG 6 , and the retreat of the G . M ., King George the

Fifth , uutil 1 S 68 . The injudicious conduct of the king in thwarting the lodges , and refusing to concur in reasonable arrangements , compelled the King of Prussians protector of Masonry in his dominions , to require the Hanoverian lodges to join one of the three Prussian Grand Lodgesaccording to lawandexcept

, , , four , they have joined the Royal York Grand Lodge on favourable terms . It is deeply to be regretted that their constitution is now less liberal . They admitted Jews —N who are refused by the Prussian Grand Lodges . OTA .

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THE TEMPLARS AND FREEMASONRY. Article 1
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MASONIC JOTTINGS.—No. 6. Article 7
THE STUARTS AND FREEMASONRY. Article 8
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 10
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 11
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MASONIC MEMS. Article 12
ROYAL MASONIC BENEVOLENT INSTITUTION FOR AGED FREEMASONS AND THEIR WIDOWS. Article 12
Craft Masonry. Article 13
PROVINCIAL. Article 14
SCOTTISH CONSTITUTION. Article 16
NEW ZEALAND. Article 16
ROYAL ARCH. Article 17
MARK MASONRY. Article 18
MASONIC FESTIVITIES. Article 18
A LECTURE. Article 19
Poetry. Article 19
SCIENTIFIC MEETINGS FOR THE WEEK. Article 19
LIST OF LODGE, MEETINGS, &c., FOR WEEK ENDING 12TH FEBRUARY, 1870. Article 20
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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The Stuarts And Freemasonry.

necked with the order , but they will not be pilloried in your pages . The French " Ordre-du-Temple " assert that Ramsay ' s instructor Fenelon , was one of their members . In conclusion , if Mr . Pinkerton will oblige me with proof that the Lord Athol ( sic ) mentioned by the Duke of Perth in a letter to Lord

Ggilvy was not in Scotland in September , 1745 , 1 shall be glad to give it due weight , and thank him for the same . JOHN YAEKEE .

Masonic Notes And Queries.

MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES .

THE ROYAL ARCH AND THE MARK " DEGREE . " At page 93 , Bro . Binckes styles the Royal Arch degree as " a degree , by the way , of modern origin as compared with the Mark . '' I challenge his authority for that assertion , and am quite prepared to believe the Mark Degree to be considerabl than the

y younger Royal Arch Degree ; however , if he can prove the " " 'Mark Degree " to have been worked before 1730 , by all means give us the proof . An operative masou ' s mark is rather different from the " Mark Dearee . "W . P . B .

FIAT LUX" AND " ROYAL ARCH MASONRY . " In order to elucidate the truth , I have no objection io _ enter the lists as an opponent , in a friendly manner , with " Fiat Lux , " if he ' will either sign his own name to the articles from his pen , or send me his name aud address privatel y . I have an objection otherwise to

engage in the discussion now started between him and " Res Non Verba " without this being done , and I will explain why to " Fiat Lux" when he writes me . —W . J . HtTGUTAJr , Truro , Cornwall .

DOCTRINES AND CHURCHES . ( p . 8 S ) . Desaguliers aud Co . manufactured not only the ' doctrines , ' ' but also set up churches in which they might be preached . At first they largely used the Old material of other buildings , but that not sufficing , entirely new edifices were erected . In some cases ,

however , we find an old structure in situ used for the purpose of " preaching " the new " doctrine , " just as e . g . an old Jewish synagogue might he used as a Christian church . Desaguliers and Co . were therefore the authors of our Speculative Masonry , as well as of its English organisation . —W . P . B .

RES NON VERBA" AND " FIAT LUX . '' I have not the time to consider the random shots of " Fiat Lux . " Auyone who knows the history of the Eoyal _ Areh will be aware that the statements made by " Fiat Lux" are most erroneous . —RES NON VERBA .

LODGES OF GERMANY AND SCOTLAND . ( p . 88 ) . Previous to the Reformation the Masons were good Catholics , just the same as other crafts , and all alike had their particular patron saints . The Masons were simply common workmen or "labourers , " just as the wrights or others , and so far as "science"is concernedthe wriht is probablthe more scientific of

, g y the two . Pure imagination has raised the Mason as a wonderful genius , high above his fellow tradesmen ! which close inspection will anything but warrant . Germany and Scotland traded largely together several centuries ago .-See the "Burgh Records . " extracts I published lately . —W . P . B .

Masonic Notes And Queries.

" RES NON VEEBA" AND " HOLZ . I certainly misunderstood "Holz" respecting " a form of high grade Masonry , " as I thought he referred to the three Craft degrees , and not the lioyal Arch . My remarks , therefore , are cleaily unsuitable , under the circumstances , and consequently I withdraw them , so far as their application to the letter by " Holz" is concerned . —RES NON VEEBA .

CHARLES EDWARD AT LONGNOE . ( p . 67 ) . Who is " John Sleigh " who asserts that in 1745 Charles Edward , as Grand Master , signed a warrant of a Derbyshire lodge ? And where is said warrant now ? Also cause it , if in existence , to be shown to competent authority , so that we may he properly advised of its genuineness , if it be genuine ? I do not admit the pretended " fact " uutil I know more about it . —W . P . B .

MEXICO . The two Supreme Councils having united in Mexico wish to keep the power in the hands of the members of the 83 ° , but the lodges in Mexico having protested , require the constitutions of a Grand Lodge , to which , after some resistance , the Supreme Council will have to submit . —NOTA .

THE FREEMASONS MAGAZINE . A brother , member of Grand Lodge , asks what I think of the Freemasons' Magazine . Had my brother read certain contributions to that periodical in years not very long gone by , he would not have asked the question . However that he may not have the trouble

of looking through indexes , he shall know what I think . He shall have my opinion , but not , as he desires , my private opiuion . He shall have my public opinion . My opinion , then is , tbe Freemasons' Magazine is a diamond mine for brothers who possess it in its entirety , and will diligently examine its contents . —CHARLES PUETON COOPER .

CONTEOVEESY . In all kinds o f literary Controversy , to point out that an opponent has ascribed to you something that you have uot written , commonly tends only to the embitterment of the controversy . The effect of this misrepresentation is but temporary , and he is not a wise man who does not bear it patiently . —A PAST PBOT 1 NC 1 AL GRAND MASTEE .

GRAND LODGE OF HAMBURGH . The Grand Lodge of Hamburgh , founded in 1741 , one of the oldest and steadiest Grand Lodges of the continent , and which ruled over 21 lodges , is finally extinct . It continued after the fall of the kingdom in 1 SG 6 , and the retreat of the G . M ., King George the

Fifth , uutil 1 S 68 . The injudicious conduct of the king in thwarting the lodges , and refusing to concur in reasonable arrangements , compelled the King of Prussians protector of Masonry in his dominions , to require the Hanoverian lodges to join one of the three Prussian Grand Lodgesaccording to lawandexcept

, , , four , they have joined the Royal York Grand Lodge on favourable terms . It is deeply to be regretted that their constitution is now less liberal . They admitted Jews —N who are refused by the Prussian Grand Lodges . OTA .

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