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Masonic Notes And Queries.
in which Bringern ' s name occurs altogether illegible ; but I have reason to think that a passage in a Common Place Book , copied from one of the volumes of the " Annales Maconniques " sufficiently and correctly supplies the defect thus occasioned . " Les premieres trompettes dela renommee des Eose-Croix ont ete les
deux opuscules intitules , Fama Fraternitatis et Confessio Fratrum Eoseos Crucis . Le dernier futd'abord public en Latin et en Allemand . L ' an 1615 , Jean Bringern riiunit ces deux traites , et les imprima h Francfort , tous deux en Laugue Allemande . "—C . P . COOPEE .
MASONIC TEST BY THE SENSE OE SMELL . The " Junior "Warden " in search of light in regard to the test alleged to have been in use by " our ancient brethren " in the detection of coAvans , will find it iu some of the so-called Masonic catechetical lectures that were in circulation in this country during the latter half of the past century . The following ' * Nota Bene "
to one of these lectures may , if not furnishing the " legitimate answer , " whet the inquirer ' s appetite for further information upon the frivolities that are said to have characterised Masonic instruction a century ago : — "If any working MaSons are at work , and you have a desire to distinguish Accepted Masons from
the rest , take a piece of stone aud ask him what it smells of ; he immediately replies , 'Neither of brass , iron , nor steel , but of a Mason . ' Then , by asking him how old he is , he replies above seven , which denotes he is a passed Master . " —D . MURRAY LYON .
A STRANGE QUESTION . My answer to the strange question of a Berlin brother is that English Freemasons will generally be found to prefer the Adam of Moses and of Milton to the primeval man of certain geologists , our contemporaries . —C . P . CCOPER .
CHARGE EOR E . G . AND M . M . As an example of a separate scale of fees maybe mentioned the Lodge des Freres Eeunis of Tournay . E . A ., £ i and certificate : F . C , eight shillings ; M . M , £ 112 s .-E . T :
BY EIAT . Will any of your learned London Masonic jurists favour an ignorant country Mason like myself with an explanation of the meaning of what I have receutl y seen on several of your London loclge summonses , " To ballot forand if approved to initiate" & cand
, , , then comes a second list of names of candidates ( or at least one candidate ) under the heading , " By Fiat . " Now AA-hat I Avant to know is , what is the meaning of '' By Fiat ?"—are there any privileges by Avhich the necessit y for the proposition in open lodge of any candidate the Master may Avish to bring into the lod ^ e
3 S avoided ? As , if so , it is a very convenient thino ' , and worth knowing . Perhaps , too , the brother who replies to this will give me , if not " Holy Writ" to justify the proceeding , at least some Grand Lodge authority for it . —D . C . L . MILITARY MASONS .
Abroad there is a practice of officers paying half price . Thus they are generally favoured in lodges , particularly in consideration of their change of quarters . In the by-laws of a lodge it is said the joining fee is £ 1 , but for military brethren half . This is a hint for home . —E . T .
Correspondence.
CORRESPONDENCE .
The Editor is not responsible for the opinions expressed by Correspondents , THE OEDER OF ST . JOHN . 10 THE EDITOK OF THE FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND 1 TASONI 0 MIREOB . Dear Sir and Brother , —In the Freemasons' Magazine of 31 st August lastmy attention Avas attracted
, by a remark in the " Notes of a Novice " on The Order of St . John , in which he says : — " Reverting tothe Order of St . John , it may not be out of place tonotice that a convivial society , styling themselves ' Knights of St . John , ' existed for many years , and upto a recent period , at the old Jerusalem Tavern , St ,
John ' s Gate , Clerkenwell , a house that is still known to antiquaries as a relic of the ancient Priory of the veritable Order . " This brought to my recollection that I had a memorandum written b y the late Colonel * John Baillie Turner , who raised and commanded the-Ottawa Volunteer Field Battery , and was well known as a most talented correspondent of the pressin Canada .
This memorandum he gave to me a few years agoto refute some sli ghting remarks relative to the object of the society that met at St . John's Gate and the-Masonic Orders of Knighthood , which appeared in some of the Canadian newspapers . I also enclose an exact copy of a summons or noticefrom the Secretary of the Order to Bro . Turner to attend an assembly of the Hospitallers at St . John's ; Gate House
. The interest now evinced in everything connected with the history of the Orders of Christian Knighthood with the Masonic Society , and the praiseworthy exertions made by the Supreme Grand Master and Grand Conclave of the Masonic Orders in England and Wales to uphold and maintain them in their
purity and usefulness will , I am sure , be sufficient apology for trespassing on your valuable time and space in the pages of the Magazine to insert theseremarks .
Tours fraternally , Prov . Grand Commander aud Graud Prior of Knights Templars and Hospitallers of St . John for Canada . Dominion of Canada , Dec . 27 , 1867 . ( Copy of Notice . )
Saint John ' s Hospital , Saint John ' s Gate , Clerkenwell , loth May , 1833 . Sir , —An assembly extraordinary of the Brother-Hospitallers will be held at the above place on Wednesday next , 22 nd inst ., at half-past eight o ' clock p . m .
I have the honour , Sir , Yery faithfully yours , Bro . G . WATKINS , Sec . To Bro . J . B . Turner , & c . In the year 1 S 32 I was installed into the English Langue of the Order of St . John of Jerusalem or
Knights Hospitallers of Malta , in the ancient room over the old gateway in Clerkenwell , London , which was , before the destruction of the old hospital and confiscation of its revenues , at the Eeformation , the gateway of that hospital . I was installed by the Count de Mortara , an Italian nobleman , from Lucca ,
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Masonic Notes And Queries.
in which Bringern ' s name occurs altogether illegible ; but I have reason to think that a passage in a Common Place Book , copied from one of the volumes of the " Annales Maconniques " sufficiently and correctly supplies the defect thus occasioned . " Les premieres trompettes dela renommee des Eose-Croix ont ete les
deux opuscules intitules , Fama Fraternitatis et Confessio Fratrum Eoseos Crucis . Le dernier futd'abord public en Latin et en Allemand . L ' an 1615 , Jean Bringern riiunit ces deux traites , et les imprima h Francfort , tous deux en Laugue Allemande . "—C . P . COOPEE .
MASONIC TEST BY THE SENSE OE SMELL . The " Junior "Warden " in search of light in regard to the test alleged to have been in use by " our ancient brethren " in the detection of coAvans , will find it iu some of the so-called Masonic catechetical lectures that were in circulation in this country during the latter half of the past century . The following ' * Nota Bene "
to one of these lectures may , if not furnishing the " legitimate answer , " whet the inquirer ' s appetite for further information upon the frivolities that are said to have characterised Masonic instruction a century ago : — "If any working MaSons are at work , and you have a desire to distinguish Accepted Masons from
the rest , take a piece of stone aud ask him what it smells of ; he immediately replies , 'Neither of brass , iron , nor steel , but of a Mason . ' Then , by asking him how old he is , he replies above seven , which denotes he is a passed Master . " —D . MURRAY LYON .
A STRANGE QUESTION . My answer to the strange question of a Berlin brother is that English Freemasons will generally be found to prefer the Adam of Moses and of Milton to the primeval man of certain geologists , our contemporaries . —C . P . CCOPER .
CHARGE EOR E . G . AND M . M . As an example of a separate scale of fees maybe mentioned the Lodge des Freres Eeunis of Tournay . E . A ., £ i and certificate : F . C , eight shillings ; M . M , £ 112 s .-E . T :
BY EIAT . Will any of your learned London Masonic jurists favour an ignorant country Mason like myself with an explanation of the meaning of what I have receutl y seen on several of your London loclge summonses , " To ballot forand if approved to initiate" & cand
, , , then comes a second list of names of candidates ( or at least one candidate ) under the heading , " By Fiat . " Now AA-hat I Avant to know is , what is the meaning of '' By Fiat ?"—are there any privileges by Avhich the necessit y for the proposition in open lodge of any candidate the Master may Avish to bring into the lod ^ e
3 S avoided ? As , if so , it is a very convenient thino ' , and worth knowing . Perhaps , too , the brother who replies to this will give me , if not " Holy Writ" to justify the proceeding , at least some Grand Lodge authority for it . —D . C . L . MILITARY MASONS .
Abroad there is a practice of officers paying half price . Thus they are generally favoured in lodges , particularly in consideration of their change of quarters . In the by-laws of a lodge it is said the joining fee is £ 1 , but for military brethren half . This is a hint for home . —E . T .
Correspondence.
CORRESPONDENCE .
The Editor is not responsible for the opinions expressed by Correspondents , THE OEDER OF ST . JOHN . 10 THE EDITOK OF THE FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND 1 TASONI 0 MIREOB . Dear Sir and Brother , —In the Freemasons' Magazine of 31 st August lastmy attention Avas attracted
, by a remark in the " Notes of a Novice " on The Order of St . John , in which he says : — " Reverting tothe Order of St . John , it may not be out of place tonotice that a convivial society , styling themselves ' Knights of St . John , ' existed for many years , and upto a recent period , at the old Jerusalem Tavern , St ,
John ' s Gate , Clerkenwell , a house that is still known to antiquaries as a relic of the ancient Priory of the veritable Order . " This brought to my recollection that I had a memorandum written b y the late Colonel * John Baillie Turner , who raised and commanded the-Ottawa Volunteer Field Battery , and was well known as a most talented correspondent of the pressin Canada .
This memorandum he gave to me a few years agoto refute some sli ghting remarks relative to the object of the society that met at St . John's Gate and the-Masonic Orders of Knighthood , which appeared in some of the Canadian newspapers . I also enclose an exact copy of a summons or noticefrom the Secretary of the Order to Bro . Turner to attend an assembly of the Hospitallers at St . John's ; Gate House
. The interest now evinced in everything connected with the history of the Orders of Christian Knighthood with the Masonic Society , and the praiseworthy exertions made by the Supreme Grand Master and Grand Conclave of the Masonic Orders in England and Wales to uphold and maintain them in their
purity and usefulness will , I am sure , be sufficient apology for trespassing on your valuable time and space in the pages of the Magazine to insert theseremarks .
Tours fraternally , Prov . Grand Commander aud Graud Prior of Knights Templars and Hospitallers of St . John for Canada . Dominion of Canada , Dec . 27 , 1867 . ( Copy of Notice . )
Saint John ' s Hospital , Saint John ' s Gate , Clerkenwell , loth May , 1833 . Sir , —An assembly extraordinary of the Brother-Hospitallers will be held at the above place on Wednesday next , 22 nd inst ., at half-past eight o ' clock p . m .
I have the honour , Sir , Yery faithfully yours , Bro . G . WATKINS , Sec . To Bro . J . B . Turner , & c . In the year 1 S 32 I was installed into the English Langue of the Order of St . John of Jerusalem or
Knights Hospitallers of Malta , in the ancient room over the old gateway in Clerkenwell , London , which was , before the destruction of the old hospital and confiscation of its revenues , at the Eeformation , the gateway of that hospital . I was installed by the Count de Mortara , an Italian nobleman , from Lucca ,