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Masonic Notes And Queries.

FREEMASONS * BALLS . Cardinal Cullen has again distinguished himself by an onslaught upon our balls . In 1 SG 3 he broke forth against such of the Romish faithful who should presume to attend such in a manner not unworthy of the Cardinal Archbishop in " The Jackdaw of Rheims : "—

" He cursed him at board , he cursed him in heel ; From the sole of his foot to the crown of his head . He cursed him in sleeping , that every night He should dream of the devil , ancl wake in a fright ; He cursed him in eating , he cursed him in drinking , He cursed him in coughing , in sneezing , in winking ;

He cursed him in sitting , in standing , in lying ; He cursed him in Avalking , in riding , in flying ; He cursed him in living , he cursed him in dying ! . Never was heard such a terrible curse ! But what gave rise to no little surprise , Nobody seemed one penny the worse ! "

This is the 19 th Century , the age when Reason has taken the place of gross Superstition . Yet here we have a man , who , from his position in the Church , we presume has some little education , holding himself up , in nonsensical tirade , to the laughter of the enemies of the Papacy , and the scandal of Rome .

What can there be in a Masonic Ball so fearfull y destructive to the morals of Roman Catholics ? Why does Father Paul not forbid his faithful children to forego dealings with Freemasons ? Surely , if a hall is bad , commercial dealings must be worse . While we pity the senile ravings of the Vaticanas the

vitu-, peration of a poor old silly man , contempt is all Ave have for Paul , Cardinal Cullen ; for ignorance , falsehood , bigotry , and blasphemy only merit contempt . It is a notorious fact that no other Bishop has followed the insane conduct of Cardinal Cullen , and that many condemn it . —A . 0 . HATE .

MASONS' MARKS . It is generally understood that these were the marks denoting the labour of individuals when working under bondage . At 'W olomolloo , near Sydney , is a A'ery extensive building , and on almost every stone can he seen Masons' marks : some are monogramsbut

, generally they are hieroglyphics , such as AnclreAvs ' cross , the Roman cross , the square , the triangle , double triangle , & c . The antiquarians of Sydney ( for there are antiquarians even there ) are sadly puzzled to account for these marks . Some -10 odd years backwhen residing at the MauritiusI visited

, , Sydney , and there actually saw the Avorkmen at Avork , and marking the stones as described . They certainly were under bondage , and had regular task work , and each Mason when he had dressed or squared a certain number of stones , had the surplus time for his own benefit . All were mark ' s men . There were

very feAV of the children of Israel among the number , for in those ancient times the Jews had little inclinato manual labour . The greater number were children of Erin , of the Emerald Isle . —HEXRY SAXELBT .

MASONIC MEMORABILIA . ¦ W . P . B . says ( p . 2 G 9 ) , — "Yaluable manuscripts burnt hy c ;« scrupulons brethren , 1720 . " Is he aware that a burning is being prepared at Freemasons' Hall of old MSS ., there called " rubbish , " which mi ght give good results to investigators . —K . S .

HERALDIC BADGES . When I used the word " cavillists , " T used it in a strictly " Pickwickian " sense . " Lupus , " who is a celebrated antiquarian ancl herald , besides being one of our best read Craftsmen , is one to whom , in strict languagesuch a term cannot apply . I may state

, , however , that he and I are , Avhile agreeing or differing , arguing from different epochs of history . The shield of the original Hospitallerr was a white cross on a black ground , but upon the suppression of the Templars , they assumed the red cross . I think Addison , in his " Temple Church , " states this to he

tlie case . I have not the work by me at present to verify . A blue cross is Avorn by the Eoman Knights at present , and Bro . Mackersy , G-. S . E . Scotland , when in Rome , saw several so decorated . Everything changes , decorations as Avell as manners , and Avhile the crosses of the officers of the present Knights of

Malta are white , subordinate crosses are blue . But Bro . Mackersy doubtless can supply " Lupus '' with information on this point . I may add that on the question of Heraldic Badges I am shaky , not having given the subject much attention , and in writing my first note , it was more with the intention of obtaining information than imparting it . —A . 0 . HAYE .

MASONIC PERSECUTION" . Freemasonry is considered by many to he a mysterious science , therefore any writing anent it should be in a mysterious manner , Avhieh I suppose is the reason why a commonplace or simple individual , such as I am , can find so little definite in Bro . Crawford ' s letter at page 332 . At page 2 S 9 I asked him " to mention the date he refers to' '

when the " Romish Church bva \ Ached off from Freemasonry ? " but , so far as his letter is concerned , I am no wiser than ever . The idea of the " Rotnish Church branching off from Freemasonry ! " It would be a large " branch . " If they Avere ever connected , it would be more like it to say that Freemasonry branched oft * from the Church of Rome .

In the 13 th and former centuries the Church of Rome was in many respects a goodly tree ; but it got rotten at the core , and many of its branches dropped off , striking roots into the soil for themselves . Luther was a Roman branch , but he dropped off . However , he that as it may , there was no

Freemasonry , such as we now have it , previous to the Reformation ; in fact , Freemasonry ( which is a different thing from operative Masonry ) is a new institution of about the beginning of last century , which when it sprang up was condemned by Rome—not in "dread of its abuse of the mysteries" (?) but—for

the reasons I formerly stated at page 207 . As a proof of the UBAV existence of Freemasonry , AVC find that the Pope Clement XII ., A . D . 173 S , in his Bull , saying , " AVe have learned , and public rumour does not permit us to doubt the truth of tho report , that a certain Society 7 / as been formed under the name of

Freemasons into which persons of all religions and all sects are indiscriminately admitted , " & o . These words of Clement with other things , contain good evidence of the then neAvness of " Freemasonry . " The Roman Church had little to fear from the old operative freemason alias freeman-mason , per se ; but when Freemasonry , or speculative Masonry , as some call it , arose about a century ancl a half ago , Rome

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NUMBERS. Article 1
MASONIC CELESTIAL MYSTERIES. Article 2
THE KNIGHTS TEMPLARS. Article 6
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 8
UNIFORMITY OF RITUAL. Article 10
MASONIC PERSECUTION.—WITNESSES TO THE TRUTH. Article 11
OUR CARDINAL AND THE DUBLIN GRAND MASONIC ASSEMBLY. Article 12
BRO. MELVILLE AND HIS DISCOVERIES. Article 12
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 14
MASONIC ARCHÆOLOGICAL INSTITUTE. Article 14
METROPOLITAN. Article 15
PROVINCIAL. Article 16
SCOTLAND. Article 17
CHANNEL ISLANDS. Article 17
ROYAL ARCH. Article 18
MEETINGS OF THE LEARNED SOCIETIES. Article 19
LIST OF LODGE, &c., MEETINGS FOR WEEK ENDING 15TH MAY, 1869. Article 20
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Masonic Notes And Queries.

FREEMASONS * BALLS . Cardinal Cullen has again distinguished himself by an onslaught upon our balls . In 1 SG 3 he broke forth against such of the Romish faithful who should presume to attend such in a manner not unworthy of the Cardinal Archbishop in " The Jackdaw of Rheims : "—

" He cursed him at board , he cursed him in heel ; From the sole of his foot to the crown of his head . He cursed him in sleeping , that every night He should dream of the devil , ancl wake in a fright ; He cursed him in eating , he cursed him in drinking , He cursed him in coughing , in sneezing , in winking ;

He cursed him in sitting , in standing , in lying ; He cursed him in Avalking , in riding , in flying ; He cursed him in living , he cursed him in dying ! . Never was heard such a terrible curse ! But what gave rise to no little surprise , Nobody seemed one penny the worse ! "

This is the 19 th Century , the age when Reason has taken the place of gross Superstition . Yet here we have a man , who , from his position in the Church , we presume has some little education , holding himself up , in nonsensical tirade , to the laughter of the enemies of the Papacy , and the scandal of Rome .

What can there be in a Masonic Ball so fearfull y destructive to the morals of Roman Catholics ? Why does Father Paul not forbid his faithful children to forego dealings with Freemasons ? Surely , if a hall is bad , commercial dealings must be worse . While we pity the senile ravings of the Vaticanas the

vitu-, peration of a poor old silly man , contempt is all Ave have for Paul , Cardinal Cullen ; for ignorance , falsehood , bigotry , and blasphemy only merit contempt . It is a notorious fact that no other Bishop has followed the insane conduct of Cardinal Cullen , and that many condemn it . —A . 0 . HATE .

MASONS' MARKS . It is generally understood that these were the marks denoting the labour of individuals when working under bondage . At 'W olomolloo , near Sydney , is a A'ery extensive building , and on almost every stone can he seen Masons' marks : some are monogramsbut

, generally they are hieroglyphics , such as AnclreAvs ' cross , the Roman cross , the square , the triangle , double triangle , & c . The antiquarians of Sydney ( for there are antiquarians even there ) are sadly puzzled to account for these marks . Some -10 odd years backwhen residing at the MauritiusI visited

, , Sydney , and there actually saw the Avorkmen at Avork , and marking the stones as described . They certainly were under bondage , and had regular task work , and each Mason when he had dressed or squared a certain number of stones , had the surplus time for his own benefit . All were mark ' s men . There were

very feAV of the children of Israel among the number , for in those ancient times the Jews had little inclinato manual labour . The greater number were children of Erin , of the Emerald Isle . —HEXRY SAXELBT .

MASONIC MEMORABILIA . ¦ W . P . B . says ( p . 2 G 9 ) , — "Yaluable manuscripts burnt hy c ;« scrupulons brethren , 1720 . " Is he aware that a burning is being prepared at Freemasons' Hall of old MSS ., there called " rubbish , " which mi ght give good results to investigators . —K . S .

HERALDIC BADGES . When I used the word " cavillists , " T used it in a strictly " Pickwickian " sense . " Lupus , " who is a celebrated antiquarian ancl herald , besides being one of our best read Craftsmen , is one to whom , in strict languagesuch a term cannot apply . I may state

, , however , that he and I are , Avhile agreeing or differing , arguing from different epochs of history . The shield of the original Hospitallerr was a white cross on a black ground , but upon the suppression of the Templars , they assumed the red cross . I think Addison , in his " Temple Church , " states this to he

tlie case . I have not the work by me at present to verify . A blue cross is Avorn by the Eoman Knights at present , and Bro . Mackersy , G-. S . E . Scotland , when in Rome , saw several so decorated . Everything changes , decorations as Avell as manners , and Avhile the crosses of the officers of the present Knights of

Malta are white , subordinate crosses are blue . But Bro . Mackersy doubtless can supply " Lupus '' with information on this point . I may add that on the question of Heraldic Badges I am shaky , not having given the subject much attention , and in writing my first note , it was more with the intention of obtaining information than imparting it . —A . 0 . HAYE .

MASONIC PERSECUTION" . Freemasonry is considered by many to he a mysterious science , therefore any writing anent it should be in a mysterious manner , Avhieh I suppose is the reason why a commonplace or simple individual , such as I am , can find so little definite in Bro . Crawford ' s letter at page 332 . At page 2 S 9 I asked him " to mention the date he refers to' '

when the " Romish Church bva \ Ached off from Freemasonry ? " but , so far as his letter is concerned , I am no wiser than ever . The idea of the " Rotnish Church branching off from Freemasonry ! " It would be a large " branch . " If they Avere ever connected , it would be more like it to say that Freemasonry branched oft * from the Church of Rome .

In the 13 th and former centuries the Church of Rome was in many respects a goodly tree ; but it got rotten at the core , and many of its branches dropped off , striking roots into the soil for themselves . Luther was a Roman branch , but he dropped off . However , he that as it may , there was no

Freemasonry , such as we now have it , previous to the Reformation ; in fact , Freemasonry ( which is a different thing from operative Masonry ) is a new institution of about the beginning of last century , which when it sprang up was condemned by Rome—not in "dread of its abuse of the mysteries" (?) but—for

the reasons I formerly stated at page 207 . As a proof of the UBAV existence of Freemasonry , AVC find that the Pope Clement XII ., A . D . 173 S , in his Bull , saying , " AVe have learned , and public rumour does not permit us to doubt the truth of tho report , that a certain Society 7 / as been formed under the name of

Freemasons into which persons of all religions and all sects are indiscriminately admitted , " & o . These words of Clement with other things , contain good evidence of the then neAvness of " Freemasonry . " The Roman Church had little to fear from the old operative freemason alias freeman-mason , per se ; but when Freemasonry , or speculative Masonry , as some call it , arose about a century ancl a half ago , Rome

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