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Masonic Notes And Queries.

turiesuponceuturiesbefore guilds were what they were . The quotations sent us we have printed before . There is nothing hut the most superficial skimming in the address you point out . It is neither the work of an earnest inquirer nor an honest one . Party-spirit , party-feeling , and a suppressio viri are its chief distinctions . ]

THE TEMriiATl ' S A 3 ? R 0 N DOOMED . A Sir Knt ., most exultingly , said to me the other day , " The apron is doomed , Ave wont have it , and that ' s enough . The Grand Master must give in . " What is it doomed for , and who are the judges that have pronounced sentence ?—A K . T . —[ AVe have

heard the same , almost verbatim , but don't believe it any the more . The criminals , not judges , that have decided against it are out of court by their own wrong-doing . They did not wait to known if they might abolish it , but did so , and then came aud asked that they might be permitted to continue to infringe

the law . Discipline and order require a full and entire submission fh-st—a laying by of the objectionable garments and an appearance in statutable costumebefore the subject can be discussed . There can he no treating with rebels , headed by a Templar milliner , until they return to their duty . Don't be alarmed ,

they are not the only Templars under the G-raud Master , who is much too wise and politic to place himself in a false position , either for an apron or a white chemise . ]

THE BLACK ROSE . What is meant to be conveyed by the symbol of the black rose used in the eighteenth degree , and from whence does it originate ?—II . * 5 < . PHILOSOPHICAL DEGREES . Which are popularly called the philosophical

degrees?—J . WILSON . MASONIC DEGEEES . How many Masonic , or reputed , Masonic degrees are there ?—ENUMERATOR . —[ It is impossible to say with precision . We know—i . e ., we have the names of—fourteen hundred . ]

" ' S SEE OURSELVES AS OTHERS SEE rs . " Here's a scrap which may induce some of us to look at ourselves from a stranger ' s point of view . It is headed"MASONRT IN LONDON . —A member of Charter Oak Lodge in this city , writing from Londonto the

, editor of the lYeiv JTorJc Dispatch , says : ' As an American Masou , I expected to see something extra in visiting English lodges , hut I confess I was rather disappointed . I have visited several here , but , so far , I have not seen one that can commence to work like " Kane" or my own " Charter Oak . " English

, lodges usually meet at four o ' clock p . m ., and at six or half-past . They always " call off" to the "banquet , " which costs each member , on an average , 1 clol . 50 c . each communication . For my part , I don ' t believe in spending money thus uselessly . Yery few lodges meet more than half a dozen times in the course of

the year . In addition to the regular lodges , there are a number of what are called " Lodges of Instruction , " which generally meet once a-week at some tavern or brother ' s house . The Avork is gone through

with fhe same as m a regular lodge , though , as it is an informal meetiug , any one can talk or smoke his cigar , or do anything else he pleases . I am sure Bro . John W . Simons would not allow any such proceedings in New York . ' To which we remark , in the language of the immortal Leatherstocking , ' The Great Prophet of the Delawares never spoke a truer word . ' " Ex . Ex .

THE LATOMIA SOCIETY . Several queries have been made , at various times , as to the orig in and purport of the Latomia Society . The following extract will , perhaps , he acceptable to those interested in the subject : — " Almost every day furnishes inquiries as to its existence , locality , and objects . That the demand for 'light'may be

abundantly supplied , and other lodges follow this noble example , we give a brief history of the association . Members of the fraternity will always find a hearty welcome at the regular meetings of the society ; and we shall be pleased to hear of the organisation of similar societies throughout the country . The '

Latomia , ' or Masonic Historical Society of Atlantic Lodge , No . 178 , was founded by a few members of that lodge in October , 1858 , for the purpose of encouraging and promoting the study of Freemasonry , by a free discussion and investigation of its origin , history , and principles , and by the collection of a

Masonic library . The experiment proved successful , and the society now numbers some thirty members . Its meetings are held at the rooms of Atlantic Lodge on the second and fourth Tuesdays of each month , and members of other lodges are admitted as visitors . A library has been commenced , and already contains

some rare and valuable works , manuscripts , & c . The society is established on the basis of the Masonic Historical Societies of Germany , which have been in existence for more than fifty years , and to whom is mainly owing that true appreciation and practice of genuine Masom-y which is now being manifested throughout Germany . " —Ex . Ex .

" TAUGHT TO BE CAUTIOUS . " An incorrigible joker , on his way to represent his lodge in Grand Lodge , in eccentric mood feigned deafness as he stepped into the stage , aud great was the sport experienced thereby . At almost every town a neAv batch of passengers would be taken up , whom

the driver would notify that the old gentleman was " deefer nor a post . " The result was that they talked of the most confidential matters , as though none but themselves were present . A pair of lovers , a little on the other side of matrimony , gave him great amusementespecially when the female partner

blush-, ingly intimated , " 't would be necessary to borrow mammy ' s cradle at first ! " A group of boardingschool girls yielded a crowd of tender confidences . But at last there entered a couple of delegates , bound , like himself , to Grand Lodge , and one of them , regardless of the presence of the deaf old gentleman , asked

the other to take advantage of the time and give him some lectures . To this the elder made this striking reply . "I wouldn't utter the secrets of Masonry before him , if he were deaf , dumb , bliud , and drunk I wouldn't lecture on the secrets of Masonry , in the presence of a corpse , though hermetically sealed in au air-tight coffin ' . "—Rob . Moris ' s Freemasons ' Almanack . ^ A

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CLASSICAL THEOLOGY.—LXXVI. Article 1
THE INTERIOR OE A GOTHIC MINSTER. Article 2
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 3
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 6
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 7
METROPOLITAN. Article 7
PROVINCIAL. Article 9
ANCIENT AND ACCEPTED RITE. Article 11
MARK MASONRY. Article 12
IRELAND. Article 12
Untitled Article 12
CHANNEL ISLANDS. Article 13
TURKEY. Article 13
COLONIAL. Article 14
CHINA. Article 15
THE WEEK. Article 17
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Masonic Notes And Queries.

turiesuponceuturiesbefore guilds were what they were . The quotations sent us we have printed before . There is nothing hut the most superficial skimming in the address you point out . It is neither the work of an earnest inquirer nor an honest one . Party-spirit , party-feeling , and a suppressio viri are its chief distinctions . ]

THE TEMriiATl ' S A 3 ? R 0 N DOOMED . A Sir Knt ., most exultingly , said to me the other day , " The apron is doomed , Ave wont have it , and that ' s enough . The Grand Master must give in . " What is it doomed for , and who are the judges that have pronounced sentence ?—A K . T . —[ AVe have

heard the same , almost verbatim , but don't believe it any the more . The criminals , not judges , that have decided against it are out of court by their own wrong-doing . They did not wait to known if they might abolish it , but did so , and then came aud asked that they might be permitted to continue to infringe

the law . Discipline and order require a full and entire submission fh-st—a laying by of the objectionable garments and an appearance in statutable costumebefore the subject can be discussed . There can he no treating with rebels , headed by a Templar milliner , until they return to their duty . Don't be alarmed ,

they are not the only Templars under the G-raud Master , who is much too wise and politic to place himself in a false position , either for an apron or a white chemise . ]

THE BLACK ROSE . What is meant to be conveyed by the symbol of the black rose used in the eighteenth degree , and from whence does it originate ?—II . * 5 < . PHILOSOPHICAL DEGREES . Which are popularly called the philosophical

degrees?—J . WILSON . MASONIC DEGEEES . How many Masonic , or reputed , Masonic degrees are there ?—ENUMERATOR . —[ It is impossible to say with precision . We know—i . e ., we have the names of—fourteen hundred . ]

" ' S SEE OURSELVES AS OTHERS SEE rs . " Here's a scrap which may induce some of us to look at ourselves from a stranger ' s point of view . It is headed"MASONRT IN LONDON . —A member of Charter Oak Lodge in this city , writing from Londonto the

, editor of the lYeiv JTorJc Dispatch , says : ' As an American Masou , I expected to see something extra in visiting English lodges , hut I confess I was rather disappointed . I have visited several here , but , so far , I have not seen one that can commence to work like " Kane" or my own " Charter Oak . " English

, lodges usually meet at four o ' clock p . m ., and at six or half-past . They always " call off" to the "banquet , " which costs each member , on an average , 1 clol . 50 c . each communication . For my part , I don ' t believe in spending money thus uselessly . Yery few lodges meet more than half a dozen times in the course of

the year . In addition to the regular lodges , there are a number of what are called " Lodges of Instruction , " which generally meet once a-week at some tavern or brother ' s house . The Avork is gone through

with fhe same as m a regular lodge , though , as it is an informal meetiug , any one can talk or smoke his cigar , or do anything else he pleases . I am sure Bro . John W . Simons would not allow any such proceedings in New York . ' To which we remark , in the language of the immortal Leatherstocking , ' The Great Prophet of the Delawares never spoke a truer word . ' " Ex . Ex .

THE LATOMIA SOCIETY . Several queries have been made , at various times , as to the orig in and purport of the Latomia Society . The following extract will , perhaps , he acceptable to those interested in the subject : — " Almost every day furnishes inquiries as to its existence , locality , and objects . That the demand for 'light'may be

abundantly supplied , and other lodges follow this noble example , we give a brief history of the association . Members of the fraternity will always find a hearty welcome at the regular meetings of the society ; and we shall be pleased to hear of the organisation of similar societies throughout the country . The '

Latomia , ' or Masonic Historical Society of Atlantic Lodge , No . 178 , was founded by a few members of that lodge in October , 1858 , for the purpose of encouraging and promoting the study of Freemasonry , by a free discussion and investigation of its origin , history , and principles , and by the collection of a

Masonic library . The experiment proved successful , and the society now numbers some thirty members . Its meetings are held at the rooms of Atlantic Lodge on the second and fourth Tuesdays of each month , and members of other lodges are admitted as visitors . A library has been commenced , and already contains

some rare and valuable works , manuscripts , & c . The society is established on the basis of the Masonic Historical Societies of Germany , which have been in existence for more than fifty years , and to whom is mainly owing that true appreciation and practice of genuine Masom-y which is now being manifested throughout Germany . " —Ex . Ex .

" TAUGHT TO BE CAUTIOUS . " An incorrigible joker , on his way to represent his lodge in Grand Lodge , in eccentric mood feigned deafness as he stepped into the stage , aud great was the sport experienced thereby . At almost every town a neAv batch of passengers would be taken up , whom

the driver would notify that the old gentleman was " deefer nor a post . " The result was that they talked of the most confidential matters , as though none but themselves were present . A pair of lovers , a little on the other side of matrimony , gave him great amusementespecially when the female partner

blush-, ingly intimated , " 't would be necessary to borrow mammy ' s cradle at first ! " A group of boardingschool girls yielded a crowd of tender confidences . But at last there entered a couple of delegates , bound , like himself , to Grand Lodge , and one of them , regardless of the presence of the deaf old gentleman , asked

the other to take advantage of the time and give him some lectures . To this the elder made this striking reply . "I wouldn't utter the secrets of Masonry before him , if he were deaf , dumb , bliud , and drunk I wouldn't lecture on the secrets of Masonry , in the presence of a corpse , though hermetically sealed in au air-tight coffin ' . "—Rob . Moris ' s Freemasons ' Almanack . ^ A

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