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Masonic Notes And Queries.

COEINTHIAS OEDEE . I regret to say that , despite the excellent article upon the Three Orders which " Pictus" has contributed to the Magazine , my belief is still unchanged us to the origin of the Corinthian and Ionic . Because electricity existed in the time of Adam , it is not

necessary that the telegraph did , or that the compass was in use with the first loadstone . I have only to repeat that my belief is that the Ionic , properly so called , arose about 500 B . C ., the Corinthian under the hand of Callimaehus . Pictus has rather startled me out of my propriety in saying that

the rock-cut dwellings came after the built-up edifices . I always thought the contrary , and that the steps were , cave , rock-cut , and built-up , while the Nomads dwelt under bent-down branches of trees covered with skins , which gradually developed into the ordinary tent . We appear to draw our information from different sources . —A . 0 . HAYE .

THE E 0 SICRUCIA 3 T SOCIETY . The Kosicruciau Society has nothing whatever to do with the Kose Croix , or Freemasonry in any of its degrees . The Supreme Council , with the exception of myself , is composed entirely of non-Masons . Among the members of the first grade upon the roll

are the names of the following Masons -. —S . Bairnsfather , J . H . M . Bairnsfather , Dr . Dickson , Frank L . Law , and B . W . Little . Bros . W . J . Hughan and D . Murray Lyon have been promoted to the second grade . As there appears to be a considerable amount of misunderstanding existing relative to this society ,

perhaps I may be allowed to make the following explanations : The Society is purely philosophic aud scientific , there are no fees exigible , tbe numbers never having at any time necessitated more than au interchange of letters among the members . There is no restriction as to numbers . There miht be two

g ; there might be two thousand . At least a year must elapse before advancing a step , but very few ever attaiu the fourth grade , and 11 years elapsed before I reached my present position . The Bosicrucian doctrines being only of interest to the members , I do not

think necessary to notice here . The Kosicruciau Society must not be confounded with its German bastard of the 17 th century , which had its exponent in the ludicrous " Fama , " and gave birth to the present Royal Arch Degree . The searches for the Philosopher ' s Stone and the

Elixir of Life were perfectly legitimate , aud the celebrated Sir Humphrey Davy told the elder D'Israeli " that he did not consider this " ( the making of gold ) " undiscovered art as impossible ; but , should it ever be discovered , would certainly be useless . " Of course , if gold could be madeaud the diamond has been

, made , the metal might sink in value below iron aud lead . A very esteemed friend of mine , an eminent chemist , is decidedly of opinion that man ' s life could be prolonged to the age of the patriarchs , barring accident and disease , by supplying the waste which produces old age , but he confesses that to discover this

waste would occupy so much time that old age would come before the remedy was ready . The Bosicrucian Society has other matters to attend to than to take up such ecceutrieities of its ancient members , it has no wish to be known beyond its small circle of initiates , and as the sole end it aims at is for their good , aud ,

by extension , the good of all they come in contact with , its ambition of outer appearance is very modest . I am not certain that £ 100 would be accepted for the collection of MSS . of one of the members , aud I even think £ 1 , 000 would be refused . My principal

object , however , in writing this note is to disabuse the minds of the brethren that there is any connexion between the Bosicrucian Society aud Freemasonry ; and if any body of men calling themselves Bosicrucians maintain the existence of such a connexion , they must be descendants of the bastard aforesaid . —A . 0 . HAYE .

I-BEEIUASOISEY AISD CHEISTIAISIIY . In the Magazine for the 4 < th of April last , Bro . H . B . White , in reply to a note of mine in the preceding number , says that my reply "does not contain a single logical argument" against his proposition . — Bro . White aud I belong to different Masonic and

logic schools . He then points out my inconsistency in denying the Christianity of Freemasonry , aud ending my communication with the angels' salutation to the shepherds in announcing the birth of Christ ; but I never knew that the angels were Christians . Bro . White is a stickler for the letter , not the spirit

of the law . Has he yet to learn that Christ himself made use of familiar figures of speech to illustrate his doctrines , culled both from Jew and Gentile . In his celebrated parallel of the roads to heaven and hell being narrow aud broad , he was following out Pythagoras's image of the Samian Tthe broad leg

typify-, ing vice the narrow virtue . Bro . White ' s logic is rather comical , and be carefully avoids answeriug my questions . However , I trust his logic will condescend to answer those which close this note . I give for Bro . White ' s information the following statistics of creeds for 1 SGG : —

Jews 7 , 425 , 707 Protestants ( all shades ) 95 , 755 , 534 lloma . n Catholics 182 , 422 , 532 Mahometans 120 , 000 , 000 Hindoos 120 , 000 , 000 arasfian , or Parsees . 1 , 000 , 000 Chinese , Japanese ( Buddhism ) 482 , ( 500 , 000 Petichism of Africa , & c 189 , 000 , 000

1 , 19 S , 203 , 773 As llomcm Catholics are forbidden to join onr body , we will take the Protestants 93 , 755 , 534 1 , 102 , 448 , 239 Thusaccorning to Bro . Whitemore than

nine-, , tenths of the humau race cannot become true Freemasons . Supposing Bro . White was to show these figures to a native of China , what would that native say ? Surely that the opinion of the minority and of a minority which stands a fifth to the disciples of Confucius is no order or rule for him to abandon his

faith , which to him is the unerring standard of truth . I am not arguing about what Christians consider the true religion ; what I wish Bro . White to understand is , that there is a point iu all elevated religions which touch oue another , aud this point is a belief in a Supreme Beiug . This belief is the cardinal religion of Freemasonry , and consequently all believers in a Supreme Being , aud of a necessity in the immortality of the soul , are eligible candidates for Freemasonry .

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CORRESPONDENCE. Article 14
THE MASONIC LIFEBOAT. Article 14
CANADIAN HIGH DEGREES. Article 14
BRO. MANNINGHAM. Article 15
MASONIC MEMS. Article 15
METROPOLITAN. Article 16
PROVINCIAL. Article 17
CHANNEL ISLANDS. Article 18
SCOTLAND. Article 19
ROYAL ARCH. Article 19
MARK MASONRY. Article 19
RED CROSS OF ROME AND CONSTANTINE. Article 20
METROPOLITAN LODGE MEETINGS, ETC.. FOR THE WEEK ENDING DECEMBER 19TH , 1868. Article 20
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Masonic Notes And Queries.

COEINTHIAS OEDEE . I regret to say that , despite the excellent article upon the Three Orders which " Pictus" has contributed to the Magazine , my belief is still unchanged us to the origin of the Corinthian and Ionic . Because electricity existed in the time of Adam , it is not

necessary that the telegraph did , or that the compass was in use with the first loadstone . I have only to repeat that my belief is that the Ionic , properly so called , arose about 500 B . C ., the Corinthian under the hand of Callimaehus . Pictus has rather startled me out of my propriety in saying that

the rock-cut dwellings came after the built-up edifices . I always thought the contrary , and that the steps were , cave , rock-cut , and built-up , while the Nomads dwelt under bent-down branches of trees covered with skins , which gradually developed into the ordinary tent . We appear to draw our information from different sources . —A . 0 . HAYE .

THE E 0 SICRUCIA 3 T SOCIETY . The Kosicruciau Society has nothing whatever to do with the Kose Croix , or Freemasonry in any of its degrees . The Supreme Council , with the exception of myself , is composed entirely of non-Masons . Among the members of the first grade upon the roll

are the names of the following Masons -. —S . Bairnsfather , J . H . M . Bairnsfather , Dr . Dickson , Frank L . Law , and B . W . Little . Bros . W . J . Hughan and D . Murray Lyon have been promoted to the second grade . As there appears to be a considerable amount of misunderstanding existing relative to this society ,

perhaps I may be allowed to make the following explanations : The Society is purely philosophic aud scientific , there are no fees exigible , tbe numbers never having at any time necessitated more than au interchange of letters among the members . There is no restriction as to numbers . There miht be two

g ; there might be two thousand . At least a year must elapse before advancing a step , but very few ever attaiu the fourth grade , and 11 years elapsed before I reached my present position . The Bosicrucian doctrines being only of interest to the members , I do not

think necessary to notice here . The Kosicruciau Society must not be confounded with its German bastard of the 17 th century , which had its exponent in the ludicrous " Fama , " and gave birth to the present Royal Arch Degree . The searches for the Philosopher ' s Stone and the

Elixir of Life were perfectly legitimate , aud the celebrated Sir Humphrey Davy told the elder D'Israeli " that he did not consider this " ( the making of gold ) " undiscovered art as impossible ; but , should it ever be discovered , would certainly be useless . " Of course , if gold could be madeaud the diamond has been

, made , the metal might sink in value below iron aud lead . A very esteemed friend of mine , an eminent chemist , is decidedly of opinion that man ' s life could be prolonged to the age of the patriarchs , barring accident and disease , by supplying the waste which produces old age , but he confesses that to discover this

waste would occupy so much time that old age would come before the remedy was ready . The Bosicrucian Society has other matters to attend to than to take up such ecceutrieities of its ancient members , it has no wish to be known beyond its small circle of initiates , and as the sole end it aims at is for their good , aud ,

by extension , the good of all they come in contact with , its ambition of outer appearance is very modest . I am not certain that £ 100 would be accepted for the collection of MSS . of one of the members , aud I even think £ 1 , 000 would be refused . My principal

object , however , in writing this note is to disabuse the minds of the brethren that there is any connexion between the Bosicrucian Society aud Freemasonry ; and if any body of men calling themselves Bosicrucians maintain the existence of such a connexion , they must be descendants of the bastard aforesaid . —A . 0 . HAYE .

I-BEEIUASOISEY AISD CHEISTIAISIIY . In the Magazine for the 4 < th of April last , Bro . H . B . White , in reply to a note of mine in the preceding number , says that my reply "does not contain a single logical argument" against his proposition . — Bro . White aud I belong to different Masonic and

logic schools . He then points out my inconsistency in denying the Christianity of Freemasonry , aud ending my communication with the angels' salutation to the shepherds in announcing the birth of Christ ; but I never knew that the angels were Christians . Bro . White is a stickler for the letter , not the spirit

of the law . Has he yet to learn that Christ himself made use of familiar figures of speech to illustrate his doctrines , culled both from Jew and Gentile . In his celebrated parallel of the roads to heaven and hell being narrow aud broad , he was following out Pythagoras's image of the Samian Tthe broad leg

typify-, ing vice the narrow virtue . Bro . White ' s logic is rather comical , and be carefully avoids answeriug my questions . However , I trust his logic will condescend to answer those which close this note . I give for Bro . White ' s information the following statistics of creeds for 1 SGG : —

Jews 7 , 425 , 707 Protestants ( all shades ) 95 , 755 , 534 lloma . n Catholics 182 , 422 , 532 Mahometans 120 , 000 , 000 Hindoos 120 , 000 , 000 arasfian , or Parsees . 1 , 000 , 000 Chinese , Japanese ( Buddhism ) 482 , ( 500 , 000 Petichism of Africa , & c 189 , 000 , 000

1 , 19 S , 203 , 773 As llomcm Catholics are forbidden to join onr body , we will take the Protestants 93 , 755 , 534 1 , 102 , 448 , 239 Thusaccorning to Bro . Whitemore than

nine-, , tenths of the humau race cannot become true Freemasons . Supposing Bro . White was to show these figures to a native of China , what would that native say ? Surely that the opinion of the minority and of a minority which stands a fifth to the disciples of Confucius is no order or rule for him to abandon his

faith , which to him is the unerring standard of truth . I am not arguing about what Christians consider the true religion ; what I wish Bro . White to understand is , that there is a point iu all elevated religions which touch oue another , aud this point is a belief in a Supreme Beiug . This belief is the cardinal religion of Freemasonry , and consequently all believers in a Supreme Being , aud of a necessity in the immortality of the soul , are eligible candidates for Freemasonry .

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