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Masonic Notes And Queries.

If Freemasonry can only he known to Christians , and arose out of Christianity , what comes over the Ark , the Tower of Babel , the Temple , and the seeond Temple . I am strongly of opinion that Bro . White ' s ecstacy is more his guide thau reason—vide his communication entitled "Freemasonry in the

17 th Century , " of May 23 , which he not inappropriately entitles " a visionary dialogue . " Visionary it is , aud so are all such ideas ; but he must rein his fancy , and curb his visions of the night . Freemasous of this day are not inclined to have the majesty of their ceremonial and doctrines interfered with and

marred by so-called Christians , who want not only liberality but common sense . Well would it be for the writer of this , for Bro . White , and all Christian brethren , to take a pattern both in liberality and charity from our Hebrew brethren , who do good deeds in secret , and blush to find them fame . Would Bro . White , then , kindly answer the following questions : —

1 . How did Freemasonry originate ? 2 . At what period ? _ 3 . Show that it is Christian , or allied to Christianity . 4 . Point out a passage in the Grand Lodge of England Constitution that mentions Christianity ?

5 . What lodge or Grand Lodge proclaims itself to he Christian ? 6 . Point out in the three degrees anything peculiar to Christianit y , and which was not represented in the mysteries ages before the coming of Christ ? 7 . Explain why a lew is a Master of a Lodge , and a Musselman a District Graud Master ?

Bro . White proclaims himself to belong to the ISth degree ; can he point out anything Clu-istiau between tbe 4 th and the 17 th inclusive ? When he answers the above , I have a few more nuts for him to crack-. —AXTIIOKT OITEAL HAYE . P . S . —Add to the statistics of creeds the Greek Church , which numbers 74 , 024 , 300 , the members of which also , if I remember ri ght , are forbidden Freemasonry .

TUB BOOK OF JOB ( pp . 407—429—44 S ) . The question of the age of the Book of Job is chiefly a question of language and style , and whatever " A Scottish Freemason" may choose to think , he can neither judge from translations nor by weighing the opinions of critics , and of this he has already

given sufficient proof . A pretty judgment he caii give on the question , whether a particular word or phrase is Armenian , for instance . A man may be a very distinguished Hebrew scholar , as many ' Jews are , and totally deficient in the comparative philology of the language , and ou many points an Arabic

scholar is a better authority thau a Hebrew scholar . Under these circumstances , " A Scottish Freemason " need not be astonished that there are persons who object to Ins bringing the Bible , religion , and Freemasonry into ridicule and disrepute by setting up a discussion on the subject in the Freemasons' Magazine

. If he wants to exercise bis powers on a like subject , which does not involve all the same dangers , there may be recommended to him these question : Was Homer the author of the Iliad ? Did Homer ever exist ? Where was he born ? Whereabouts iu the Troad was the Seat of Troy ? Are the texts of the

Iliad the text of oue rhapsodist , of several , or chiefly the work of the alleged restorer , Pisistratus ? Here is quite scope enough . He can lay down the law on Greek grammar without asserting that any one scholar , ancient or modern , is not a Christian and not entitled to be believed .

—CIIHONONATJTOXTIIOLOGOS . ATHEISM AJIOXG MASONS . The note of It . T . touches a very important point . In a society like ours , which maintains the principles of true and pure religionwe shall better devote our

, time to the abatement of such an evil as the presence of Atheists among us thau to discussions about the members of Deistical sects , whether Jews or Christians . If the truth be assailed on the continent , let it be persistently maintained here . —W . S .

" SCOTCH" ( pp . 44 S—406 ) . If two wrongs would make a right , Bro . D . Murray Lyon would certainly be right ; but it so happens they wont . The correct word for the name of the people is "Scots , " for their country "Scotland , " and the nativeswhen correctly styledare called "

Scots-, , men " or " Scots , " not " Scotchmen " or " Scotch . " I fearlessly say so , even although " Scotchmen " may be found in a hundred dictionaries . "Scotchman " has somehow got into the dictionary , but it ought to be weeded out .

I need not go over Bro . Lyon ' s extracts , for upon his reasoniug we mi ght say good may be spelt " guid , " or blood as correctly spelt " bluid , " as uuder certain circumstances they are found . "O sing to me the auld Scotch sangs" is not an " auld Scotch sang " itself ; besides , can Bro . Lyon

prove that the author , in the line quoted * did not write " Scots ' . " He may have done so , although the printer makes it " Scotch . " The word iu the song follows shortly after "Scotland , " and it gives a very ¦ fine effect to take a good mouthful of the "tch "try it .

The use of " Scotch " as an adjective has this in its favour , that it has only one syllable , while " Scottish " has two ; hut no such excuse can be made for using "Scotch" as a noun iu place of "Scots . " If it is not a printer ' s error , aud Gladstone really said " the Scotch , " I think he was wrong . It would be more

correct and complimentary to say " the Scots . " And if "the Marquis of Bute calls his fellow-countrymen Scotchmen , " £ do not think much of his lordship's taste , but I hope that , if ho really did use the word , he would , if his attention was fairly called to the matter , hereafter repudiate the use of it , and in future sav " Scotsmen . "—W . P . B .

DERIVATION OF " FREEMASON " . " Brother Buchan seems dissatisfied with the conclusion 1 have arrived at on this subject , and to wish for a fuller explanation and a more definite result . But the derivation I ventured to suggest and to uphold is the only one that I am able to commend to

the critical judgment of your readers . All the evidences I have collected point to this as the true origin and use and meaning of the word . 1 am myself quite satisfied that Free Mason is not

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SKETCHES OF NOTABLE MASONIC WORKS. Article 1
CHIPS OF FOREIGN ASHLAR. Article 6
MASONIC DISCIPLINE.—II. Article 8
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 9
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 14
THE MASONIC LIFEBOAT. Article 14
CANADIAN HIGH DEGREES. Article 14
BRO. MANNINGHAM. Article 15
MASONIC MEMS. Article 15
METROPOLITAN. Article 16
PROVINCIAL. Article 17
CHANNEL ISLANDS. Article 18
SCOTLAND. Article 19
ROYAL ARCH. Article 19
MARK MASONRY. Article 19
RED CROSS OF ROME AND CONSTANTINE. Article 20
METROPOLITAN LODGE MEETINGS, ETC.. FOR THE WEEK ENDING DECEMBER 19TH , 1868. Article 20
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Masonic Notes And Queries.

If Freemasonry can only he known to Christians , and arose out of Christianity , what comes over the Ark , the Tower of Babel , the Temple , and the seeond Temple . I am strongly of opinion that Bro . White ' s ecstacy is more his guide thau reason—vide his communication entitled "Freemasonry in the

17 th Century , " of May 23 , which he not inappropriately entitles " a visionary dialogue . " Visionary it is , aud so are all such ideas ; but he must rein his fancy , and curb his visions of the night . Freemasous of this day are not inclined to have the majesty of their ceremonial and doctrines interfered with and

marred by so-called Christians , who want not only liberality but common sense . Well would it be for the writer of this , for Bro . White , and all Christian brethren , to take a pattern both in liberality and charity from our Hebrew brethren , who do good deeds in secret , and blush to find them fame . Would Bro . White , then , kindly answer the following questions : —

1 . How did Freemasonry originate ? 2 . At what period ? _ 3 . Show that it is Christian , or allied to Christianity . 4 . Point out a passage in the Grand Lodge of England Constitution that mentions Christianity ?

5 . What lodge or Grand Lodge proclaims itself to he Christian ? 6 . Point out in the three degrees anything peculiar to Christianit y , and which was not represented in the mysteries ages before the coming of Christ ? 7 . Explain why a lew is a Master of a Lodge , and a Musselman a District Graud Master ?

Bro . White proclaims himself to belong to the ISth degree ; can he point out anything Clu-istiau between tbe 4 th and the 17 th inclusive ? When he answers the above , I have a few more nuts for him to crack-. —AXTIIOKT OITEAL HAYE . P . S . —Add to the statistics of creeds the Greek Church , which numbers 74 , 024 , 300 , the members of which also , if I remember ri ght , are forbidden Freemasonry .

TUB BOOK OF JOB ( pp . 407—429—44 S ) . The question of the age of the Book of Job is chiefly a question of language and style , and whatever " A Scottish Freemason" may choose to think , he can neither judge from translations nor by weighing the opinions of critics , and of this he has already

given sufficient proof . A pretty judgment he caii give on the question , whether a particular word or phrase is Armenian , for instance . A man may be a very distinguished Hebrew scholar , as many ' Jews are , and totally deficient in the comparative philology of the language , and ou many points an Arabic

scholar is a better authority thau a Hebrew scholar . Under these circumstances , " A Scottish Freemason " need not be astonished that there are persons who object to Ins bringing the Bible , religion , and Freemasonry into ridicule and disrepute by setting up a discussion on the subject in the Freemasons' Magazine

. If he wants to exercise bis powers on a like subject , which does not involve all the same dangers , there may be recommended to him these question : Was Homer the author of the Iliad ? Did Homer ever exist ? Where was he born ? Whereabouts iu the Troad was the Seat of Troy ? Are the texts of the

Iliad the text of oue rhapsodist , of several , or chiefly the work of the alleged restorer , Pisistratus ? Here is quite scope enough . He can lay down the law on Greek grammar without asserting that any one scholar , ancient or modern , is not a Christian and not entitled to be believed .

—CIIHONONATJTOXTIIOLOGOS . ATHEISM AJIOXG MASONS . The note of It . T . touches a very important point . In a society like ours , which maintains the principles of true and pure religionwe shall better devote our

, time to the abatement of such an evil as the presence of Atheists among us thau to discussions about the members of Deistical sects , whether Jews or Christians . If the truth be assailed on the continent , let it be persistently maintained here . —W . S .

" SCOTCH" ( pp . 44 S—406 ) . If two wrongs would make a right , Bro . D . Murray Lyon would certainly be right ; but it so happens they wont . The correct word for the name of the people is "Scots , " for their country "Scotland , " and the nativeswhen correctly styledare called "

Scots-, , men " or " Scots , " not " Scotchmen " or " Scotch . " I fearlessly say so , even although " Scotchmen " may be found in a hundred dictionaries . "Scotchman " has somehow got into the dictionary , but it ought to be weeded out .

I need not go over Bro . Lyon ' s extracts , for upon his reasoniug we mi ght say good may be spelt " guid , " or blood as correctly spelt " bluid , " as uuder certain circumstances they are found . "O sing to me the auld Scotch sangs" is not an " auld Scotch sang " itself ; besides , can Bro . Lyon

prove that the author , in the line quoted * did not write " Scots ' . " He may have done so , although the printer makes it " Scotch . " The word iu the song follows shortly after "Scotland , " and it gives a very ¦ fine effect to take a good mouthful of the "tch "try it .

The use of " Scotch " as an adjective has this in its favour , that it has only one syllable , while " Scottish " has two ; hut no such excuse can be made for using "Scotch" as a noun iu place of "Scots . " If it is not a printer ' s error , aud Gladstone really said " the Scotch , " I think he was wrong . It would be more

correct and complimentary to say " the Scots . " And if "the Marquis of Bute calls his fellow-countrymen Scotchmen , " £ do not think much of his lordship's taste , but I hope that , if ho really did use the word , he would , if his attention was fairly called to the matter , hereafter repudiate the use of it , and in future sav " Scotsmen . "—W . P . B .

DERIVATION OF " FREEMASON " . " Brother Buchan seems dissatisfied with the conclusion 1 have arrived at on this subject , and to wish for a fuller explanation and a more definite result . But the derivation I ventured to suggest and to uphold is the only one that I am able to commend to

the critical judgment of your readers . All the evidences I have collected point to this as the true origin and use and meaning of the word . 1 am myself quite satisfied that Free Mason is not

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