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Masonic Notes And Queries.

TOULMIN SMITH ON " ENGLISH GUILDS . Will Bro . H yde Clarke kindly inform me who are the publishers of the above work , that I may order it ? My bookseller has failed to procure it for me so far , and Bro . Hyde Clarke ' s welcome notes on the workin the Freemasons' Magazine for October 6 th

, , have made me anxious to see the volume aud study it carefully . —W . J . HUGHAN . QUERY . Will you kindly answer me the following question in your next number ? The out-going Master has a

right to instal his successor ; but , if he declines to do so , either from inability or other reasons , who should then be asked to perform the ceremony ? the next P . M ., or the senior P . M . of the lodge ?—T . P . The retiring W . M . may request the I . P . M ., or any other P . M . present who is able and willing , to perform the ceremony of installation . —ED . F . M .

Corespondence.

CORESPONDENCE .

. The " Editor is not responsible for the opinions expressed by Correspondent

ENGLISH MARK LODGES AND THE MARK DEGREE .

TO THE IDITOB OP TDE PEEEJIASOSS' MAGAZINE AHD MASONIC HIBKOH . Dear Sir and Brother , —I have read the remarks of " Crescent , " at page 284 , upon the above subject , and beg to dissent from many of his statements . As to the G . L . of Mark Masters being " that lawful aud constitutional body , " I cannot see it . Suppose we

get up a Grand Lodge of M . M . ' s , another of F . C . ' s , and so on ? Then to he told that the "Masonic Knights Templar " are "a purely Christian Order , dating only from the time of the Crusades ! " When , mirabile dicta , they " only " date from last century at the

furthest . Again , says " Crescent , " " all degrees , Craft and others , were once worked thus independently before the Grand Lod ges in Great Britain and other countries were formed ! " That is to sav , before 1717 ! J To further criticise an "article" which contains such essential mistakes as those alluded to is

unnecessary . The real cure for this matter would be that alluded to , at page 311 , by "Beitam , " viz ., that the G . L . of England should follow the example of the G . L . of Scotland , and _ make " the Mark " a portion of its ritual , for , as is well known , 2 ong before auy Grand

Lodge was formed , the operative Masons used their marks . A motion to this effect carried in Grand Lodge would soon settle the whole matter , so far as blue Masonry is concerned . It was really most "" unfortunate " that the G . L . of England recognised the Eoyal Arch . Craft

Masonry being entirely complete in itself ; that is to say , that any" degree > ' above that of Master Mason is simply superfluous , " the Mark " being uuderstood as a portion of the Fellow Craft degree . Whenever we ep beyond blue Masonry and take up with " Eoyal

Corespondence.

Arch" productions , we at once open the door to these so-called " high ' ' degrees ad infinitum ; degrees which , those who have been induced to take them assert , are simply " humbug . " Yours fraternally , BE-MARE . P . S . —I find that it is not necessary to go far to

find proof of my last statement ; for , page 356 , at a meeting of " Masonic Knights Templar " it was stated that " The Knights of the Temple would recollect that they met , not on the level , but on the cross . ' ' If such were the case , they should have gone to the church or chapelnot to a Masonic hallfor such an idea is

, , entirely opposed to Freemasonry . And , if " the illustrious Templar believed that he was the pioneer of a grand united chain of Masonrv throughout the world , ' he has rather queer ideas as to what "Masonry '' really is . The life and beauty of speculative Masonry is its unsectarianistn and universality , cross

and cresceut being alike to it . So long as such is the idea , the " grand chain " exists ; but it would seem to he the forte of pseudo-Masonic Kni ghts Templar to pull down what it is the glory of Masonic Master Masons to build up . —EE-MARK .

1717 . TO THE EDITOR OP THE PEEElTASONs' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC HIBEOB . Dear Sir and Brother , —I have met with an incident which it may be interesting to mention ; viz .: Upon 25 th October I received a letter bearing the Glasgow post-markand upon corner of envelope

, " 1717 . " On opening it there was no signature , being therein directed to me as a " Correspondent of the Freemasons' Magazine , " and it said : — " There is a fount about to stream , There is a light about to beam , There is a warmth about to flow ,

There is a flower about to blow , There is a midnight darkness changing Into grey . Men of thought and men of action , Clear the way . " Aid the dawning tongue and pen , Aid it , hopes of honest men ;

Aid it , paper , aid it , type ; Aid it for the hour is ripe . And our earnest must uot slacken Into play . Men of thought and men of action , Clear the way . " « f ;> I have not the slightest idea who it is fromnor is

, any explanation given in it ; only , from " 1717 " being mentioned , I suppose that the date A . D . 1717 is referred to ; the writer being a ' reader of the Magazine , and possibly a supporter of the 1717 theory . Yours fraternally , W . P . BUCHAN .

DNIEOEMITY OF BITUAL . TO TEE EDITOll OP THE PKEE 2 IASONS' JIAGAZIlfE AND MASONIC MIHEOB . Dear Sir and Brother , —Since the appearance of the letter of G . W . Wv page 309 , the attention of at any rate two Glasgow lodges has been specially drawn to the subject of uniformity , and the suggestions em-

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MASONIC CELESTIAL MYSTERIES. Article 7
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 8
CORESPONDENCE. Article 10
MASONIC MEMS. Article 12
Craft Masonry. Article 12
SCOTTISH CONSTITUTION. Article 15
CHANNEL ISLANDS. Article 16
SOUTH AUSTRALIA. Article 16
MARK MASONRY. Article 17
RELIGIOUS AND MILITARY ORDER OF THE TEMPLE. Article 17
THEATRICAL AND MUSICAL NOTES. Article 17
REVIEWS. Article 17
Obituary. Article 18
CONSTANTINIAN ORDER OF THE KNIGHTS OF ST. GEORGE. Article 18
SCIENTIFIC MEETINGS FOR THE WEEK. Article 19
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Masonic Notes And Queries.

TOULMIN SMITH ON " ENGLISH GUILDS . Will Bro . H yde Clarke kindly inform me who are the publishers of the above work , that I may order it ? My bookseller has failed to procure it for me so far , and Bro . Hyde Clarke ' s welcome notes on the workin the Freemasons' Magazine for October 6 th

, , have made me anxious to see the volume aud study it carefully . —W . J . HUGHAN . QUERY . Will you kindly answer me the following question in your next number ? The out-going Master has a

right to instal his successor ; but , if he declines to do so , either from inability or other reasons , who should then be asked to perform the ceremony ? the next P . M ., or the senior P . M . of the lodge ?—T . P . The retiring W . M . may request the I . P . M ., or any other P . M . present who is able and willing , to perform the ceremony of installation . —ED . F . M .

Corespondence.

CORESPONDENCE .

. The " Editor is not responsible for the opinions expressed by Correspondent

ENGLISH MARK LODGES AND THE MARK DEGREE .

TO THE IDITOB OP TDE PEEEJIASOSS' MAGAZINE AHD MASONIC HIBKOH . Dear Sir and Brother , —I have read the remarks of " Crescent , " at page 284 , upon the above subject , and beg to dissent from many of his statements . As to the G . L . of Mark Masters being " that lawful aud constitutional body , " I cannot see it . Suppose we

get up a Grand Lodge of M . M . ' s , another of F . C . ' s , and so on ? Then to he told that the "Masonic Knights Templar " are "a purely Christian Order , dating only from the time of the Crusades ! " When , mirabile dicta , they " only " date from last century at the

furthest . Again , says " Crescent , " " all degrees , Craft and others , were once worked thus independently before the Grand Lod ges in Great Britain and other countries were formed ! " That is to sav , before 1717 ! J To further criticise an "article" which contains such essential mistakes as those alluded to is

unnecessary . The real cure for this matter would be that alluded to , at page 311 , by "Beitam , " viz ., that the G . L . of England should follow the example of the G . L . of Scotland , and _ make " the Mark " a portion of its ritual , for , as is well known , 2 ong before auy Grand

Lodge was formed , the operative Masons used their marks . A motion to this effect carried in Grand Lodge would soon settle the whole matter , so far as blue Masonry is concerned . It was really most "" unfortunate " that the G . L . of England recognised the Eoyal Arch . Craft

Masonry being entirely complete in itself ; that is to say , that any" degree > ' above that of Master Mason is simply superfluous , " the Mark " being uuderstood as a portion of the Fellow Craft degree . Whenever we ep beyond blue Masonry and take up with " Eoyal

Corespondence.

Arch" productions , we at once open the door to these so-called " high ' ' degrees ad infinitum ; degrees which , those who have been induced to take them assert , are simply " humbug . " Yours fraternally , BE-MARE . P . S . —I find that it is not necessary to go far to

find proof of my last statement ; for , page 356 , at a meeting of " Masonic Knights Templar " it was stated that " The Knights of the Temple would recollect that they met , not on the level , but on the cross . ' ' If such were the case , they should have gone to the church or chapelnot to a Masonic hallfor such an idea is

, , entirely opposed to Freemasonry . And , if " the illustrious Templar believed that he was the pioneer of a grand united chain of Masonrv throughout the world , ' he has rather queer ideas as to what "Masonry '' really is . The life and beauty of speculative Masonry is its unsectarianistn and universality , cross

and cresceut being alike to it . So long as such is the idea , the " grand chain " exists ; but it would seem to he the forte of pseudo-Masonic Kni ghts Templar to pull down what it is the glory of Masonic Master Masons to build up . —EE-MARK .

1717 . TO THE EDITOR OP THE PEEElTASONs' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC HIBEOB . Dear Sir and Brother , —I have met with an incident which it may be interesting to mention ; viz .: Upon 25 th October I received a letter bearing the Glasgow post-markand upon corner of envelope

, " 1717 . " On opening it there was no signature , being therein directed to me as a " Correspondent of the Freemasons' Magazine , " and it said : — " There is a fount about to stream , There is a light about to beam , There is a warmth about to flow ,

There is a flower about to blow , There is a midnight darkness changing Into grey . Men of thought and men of action , Clear the way . " Aid the dawning tongue and pen , Aid it , hopes of honest men ;

Aid it , paper , aid it , type ; Aid it for the hour is ripe . And our earnest must uot slacken Into play . Men of thought and men of action , Clear the way . " « f ;> I have not the slightest idea who it is fromnor is

, any explanation given in it ; only , from " 1717 " being mentioned , I suppose that the date A . D . 1717 is referred to ; the writer being a ' reader of the Magazine , and possibly a supporter of the 1717 theory . Yours fraternally , W . P . BUCHAN .

DNIEOEMITY OF BITUAL . TO TEE EDITOll OP THE PKEE 2 IASONS' JIAGAZIlfE AND MASONIC MIHEOB . Dear Sir and Brother , —Since the appearance of the letter of G . W . Wv page 309 , the attention of at any rate two Glasgow lodges has been specially drawn to the subject of uniformity , and the suggestions em-

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