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(No. 9.)—The Province Of Jersey. Part Ii.

natm'ally ensue peculiar evils , as for instance a tendency to cliquism , and perhaps a want of care as to the character of persons admitted to membership . Nevertheless we believe it would be quite possible to find a Grand Master who would

command the respect ancl obedience of the brethren . Iu Guernsey there is a great desire to have Bro . Gallienne appointed Grand Master for that province , thus entirely separating Jersey and Guernsey . This would , we believe , be the best

possible arrangement , and , as far as we can learn , it would be generally approved in Jersey . In Bro . Gallienne the Guernsey brethren would have a Grand Master , not only admirably qualified in other respects , but also fully competent to do the

work , which' unfortunately is not the case with all similar officers . In these matters the wishes of the brethren are doubtless considered by Lord Zetland ; and seeing that the whole province is anxious for Bro . Gallienne ' s appointment , we

sincerely hope that the M . W . G . M . may deem it wise to accede to their wishes . The only objectors are one or two individuals who are probablv afraid

of being called to account for sundry irregularities , and who indeed deserve severe censure for the discredit they have brought on tbe Craft . That such persons should dread Bro . Gallienne ' s appointment is a most valuable testimony in his

favour , and a proof that he would be likely to discharge the duties with right and justice . Having received from a brother of high standing' in the province , an account of the reasons which induced him to leave the lodge in which these persons

meet—the same in which Bro . Dr . Hopkins was so rudely treated some time ago—we can only regret that 'they have so long been unpunished for a course of conduct which has been equally

un-Masonic and ungentlemanly . It is due to the other brethren in Guernsey to say that they have been unanimous in condemning the goings-on of the small clique referred to . There may be persons disposed to think that

Guernsey and Jersey would do very well without either Grand Lodges or Grand Masters ; but such individuals take only a very superficial view of the state of affairs . A province without a Grand Master is like a nation without a ruler , and the

brethren have a right to complain if they are debarred the purple . In Guernsey a Grand Master is the more necessary , because Alderney is remote from every other place . It is , therefore , to be hoped that in any case a Grand Master for

(No. 9.)—The Province Of Jersey. Part Ii.

Guernsey may be appointed , ancl especially that Bro . Gallienne may be the man . The advantages of Grand Ldoges to the Guernsey and Jcrsej' brethren are very great , inasmuch as Grand Lodge meetings are easily accessible . In

England , on tlie contrary , members of Provincial Grand Lodges have often to travel forty to fifty miles to attend meetings . The brethren in Jersey appear to be unanimous in expecting that their next Grand Master will be

Bro . Colonel E . C . Malet de Carteret , Lord of St . Oven ' s . Bro . Malet de Carteret has served as W . M . of St . Aubin ' s Lodo-e , in succession to Bro . Dr . Hopkins , and litis occupied the office of Grand Warden of the province . Bro . Malet cle

Carteret also took a great interest in the erection of the Temple , and is a considerable shareholder . Belonging to tho " upper ten" of the island , and possessing large estates , Bro . De Carteret is qualified no less by birth ancl position than by

Masonic zeal for the high honour of Grand Master ; ancl there is reason to believe that his appointment would put an end to matters of variance which during past years have arisen , from the peculiar condition of this province . —J . A . H .

Masonic Notes And Queries.

MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES .

OS" 1 IAS 0 XIC OATHS . Subjoined is a transcript * of a portion of the entries on this subject contained in my letter and memorandum books ( June to December , 1 SGG ) . See page 127 of tlie present volume . Copies of most of them are alreadin the hands of learned brothers ;

y but hitherto none of them have been printed . The matter is one the practical importance of which in parts of Queen Victoria ' s dominions where the English lodge is established , should what I have heard be true , it will not be easy to exaggerate . Some of the correspondents , to whose inquiries

my letters were tiie answers , were aware of a circumstance the statement of which iu thin place will probably not be thought altogether irrelevant . In the year 1882 , soon after the late Lord Campbell became Solicitor-General , there were sundry consultations with himat which I was one of the

, counsel present , respecting the validity of Chancery depositions taken upon commissions executed at Calcutta , Canton , and the Cape of Good Hope . All sorts of questions arose in consequence of the way in which witnesses had been " obligated . '' There were Hindoos , some of whom were Mystical Pantheists ,

and some Atheistical Pantheists ; Chinese , some of whom were Laotzists , some Confuzists , and some Buddhists ; and Africans , who were Fetichists . The

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THE KNIGHTS TEMPLARS. Article 1
(No. 9.)—THE PROVINCE OF JERSEY. PART II. Article 4
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 7
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 8
MASONIC LIFE-BOAT FUND. Article 8
LODGE MUSIC. Article 8
LADIES AT THE FESTIVE MEETINGS. Article 9
RED CROSS OF CONSTANTINE. Article 9
THE ORDER OF THE TEMPLE. Article 10
GLASGOW CHARTERS. Article 10
MASONIC EXCHANGE. Article 10
MASONIC MEMS. Article 11
ROYAL FREEMASON'S' SCHOOL FOR FEMALE CHILDREN. Article 11
METROPOLITAN. Article 14
PROVINCIAL. Article 15
NORTHUMBERLAND. Article 16
IRELAND. Article 18
LONDONDERRY AND DONEGAL . Article 18
CHANNEL ISLANDS. Article 18
SOUTH AUSTRALIA. Article 18
WEST INDIES. Article 19
ROYAL ARCH. Article 19
MAKE MASONRY. Article 19
KNIGHTS TEMPLAR. Article 19
RED CROSS KNIGHTS. Article 20
Poetry. Article 20
MEETINGS OF THE LEARNED SOCIETIES FOR THE WEEK ENDING MAY 23RD, 1868. Article 20
METROPOLITAN LODGE MEETINGS, ETC., FOR THE WEEK ENDING MAY 23RD, 1868. Article 20
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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(No. 9.)—The Province Of Jersey. Part Ii.

natm'ally ensue peculiar evils , as for instance a tendency to cliquism , and perhaps a want of care as to the character of persons admitted to membership . Nevertheless we believe it would be quite possible to find a Grand Master who would

command the respect ancl obedience of the brethren . Iu Guernsey there is a great desire to have Bro . Gallienne appointed Grand Master for that province , thus entirely separating Jersey and Guernsey . This would , we believe , be the best

possible arrangement , and , as far as we can learn , it would be generally approved in Jersey . In Bro . Gallienne the Guernsey brethren would have a Grand Master , not only admirably qualified in other respects , but also fully competent to do the

work , which' unfortunately is not the case with all similar officers . In these matters the wishes of the brethren are doubtless considered by Lord Zetland ; and seeing that the whole province is anxious for Bro . Gallienne ' s appointment , we

sincerely hope that the M . W . G . M . may deem it wise to accede to their wishes . The only objectors are one or two individuals who are probablv afraid

of being called to account for sundry irregularities , and who indeed deserve severe censure for the discredit they have brought on tbe Craft . That such persons should dread Bro . Gallienne ' s appointment is a most valuable testimony in his

favour , and a proof that he would be likely to discharge the duties with right and justice . Having received from a brother of high standing' in the province , an account of the reasons which induced him to leave the lodge in which these persons

meet—the same in which Bro . Dr . Hopkins was so rudely treated some time ago—we can only regret that 'they have so long been unpunished for a course of conduct which has been equally

un-Masonic and ungentlemanly . It is due to the other brethren in Guernsey to say that they have been unanimous in condemning the goings-on of the small clique referred to . There may be persons disposed to think that

Guernsey and Jersey would do very well without either Grand Lodges or Grand Masters ; but such individuals take only a very superficial view of the state of affairs . A province without a Grand Master is like a nation without a ruler , and the

brethren have a right to complain if they are debarred the purple . In Guernsey a Grand Master is the more necessary , because Alderney is remote from every other place . It is , therefore , to be hoped that in any case a Grand Master for

(No. 9.)—The Province Of Jersey. Part Ii.

Guernsey may be appointed , ancl especially that Bro . Gallienne may be the man . The advantages of Grand Ldoges to the Guernsey and Jcrsej' brethren are very great , inasmuch as Grand Lodge meetings are easily accessible . In

England , on tlie contrary , members of Provincial Grand Lodges have often to travel forty to fifty miles to attend meetings . The brethren in Jersey appear to be unanimous in expecting that their next Grand Master will be

Bro . Colonel E . C . Malet de Carteret , Lord of St . Oven ' s . Bro . Malet de Carteret has served as W . M . of St . Aubin ' s Lodo-e , in succession to Bro . Dr . Hopkins , and litis occupied the office of Grand Warden of the province . Bro . Malet cle

Carteret also took a great interest in the erection of the Temple , and is a considerable shareholder . Belonging to tho " upper ten" of the island , and possessing large estates , Bro . De Carteret is qualified no less by birth ancl position than by

Masonic zeal for the high honour of Grand Master ; ancl there is reason to believe that his appointment would put an end to matters of variance which during past years have arisen , from the peculiar condition of this province . —J . A . H .

Masonic Notes And Queries.

MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES .

OS" 1 IAS 0 XIC OATHS . Subjoined is a transcript * of a portion of the entries on this subject contained in my letter and memorandum books ( June to December , 1 SGG ) . See page 127 of tlie present volume . Copies of most of them are alreadin the hands of learned brothers ;

y but hitherto none of them have been printed . The matter is one the practical importance of which in parts of Queen Victoria ' s dominions where the English lodge is established , should what I have heard be true , it will not be easy to exaggerate . Some of the correspondents , to whose inquiries

my letters were tiie answers , were aware of a circumstance the statement of which iu thin place will probably not be thought altogether irrelevant . In the year 1882 , soon after the late Lord Campbell became Solicitor-General , there were sundry consultations with himat which I was one of the

, counsel present , respecting the validity of Chancery depositions taken upon commissions executed at Calcutta , Canton , and the Cape of Good Hope . All sorts of questions arose in consequence of the way in which witnesses had been " obligated . '' There were Hindoos , some of whom were Mystical Pantheists ,

and some Atheistical Pantheists ; Chinese , some of whom were Laotzists , some Confuzists , and some Buddhists ; and Africans , who were Fetichists . The

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