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Correspondence.

improvements effected in the Grand Master's apartments and the Grand Secretary ' s office , the new parts of the building being made to harmonize , and the whole property presenting a noble and architectural appearance worthy of the great Masonic body . Trusting you will pardon my encroaching at such a great length upon your space ,

I have the honour to be , Sir andBrother , yours fraternally , AN OLD PAST MASTER , And Member of Grand Lodge . P . S . —I have heard the name of Bro . Stephen Barton Wilson mentioned , as suggesting some plan for the adaptation of the property , his great Masonic experience , united to professional talents of the highest order , entitle Ms opinions to every consideration .

The Masonic Charities.

THE MASONIC CHARITIES .

10 THE EDTIOIt OF THE FREEMASONS MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . DEAR SIR . AND BROTHER , — -YOU have , it is true , raised a very important topic in your last number , under the head of Masonic Charities . You state a presentation has been effected in the Girl's School , by a payment of one hundred guineas , aud I would enquire- if that has been found inadequate seeing you now propose an extra ten guineas

to that amount ? From another part of the Mirror I see such persons as ivould become , under the scheme , presenters for life , or iu perpetuity , would have no right to vote at elections but simply to nominate a child upon the vacancy of his last appointment . Would snob a child have to undergo the examination proposed to all children for admission

io the schools , and be subject to rejection by the Committees ? Then if so , would it not be better to purchase such a number of votes and always have the means in the presenter ' s hands of getting , by his own exertions , a child into the schools ? For it is well known that unless

certain people can get their children in , all those who are not so favoured must stand by until Mr . Committee-man . is ensured of his candidate . I am not so clear why you should assume that only young men would buy presentations , to the Royal Benevolent Institution , by fixing the age of the presenter at 30 or 37 . If your theory on this point is correct the

older the presenter is the less it ivould cost , but who is to receive the benefit , the presenter , or the presentee ? To my thinking the calculation should be based on the age of the recipient of the benefits , because it matters but little how many the presenter appoints seeing he has paid a fixed sum and taking one presenter with anotherthe chances would ive a pretty fair to

, g average each . Hoping you will not lose sight of this subject , for which we are all indebted to yon , but show us , by actual tables pointed on specific data , the true way to accomplish so great an end , and returning you my thanks for your valuable , though imperfect suggestions .

I am truly yours , A P . S . It must be admitted that but few brethren would avail themselves of being presentoi-s , but many a lodge could , and would no doubt , constitute their W . M . a perpetual presenter , then I would ask how is the age of the presenter to be regulated ?

[ We would advise our Correspondent to read our article again . We have never assumed that all parties buying presentations would be young , having given the price up to the age of eighty seven , tolerably old ive think . As regards the last question there can be no difficulty , we having proposed that a perpetual presentation should be granted for a fixed sum . —ED . ]

The Province Of Northumberland And The Charities.

THE PROVINCE OF NORTHUMBERLAND AND THE CHARITIES .

TO THE EDITOR OE THE FREEMASONS MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . DEAR , SIR AND BROTHER , —In replying to P . M . 624-, 1 beg to say that I do so for the last time , for though the worthy brother is well known to me , I think , and having replied to his letter in my own name , he ought to have done the same . My reply shall be much briefer than his . In the first

place I beg to assure P . M . 624 , that if he sent me such an invitation to attend , I certainly did not see it ; and as in May I was in London this may account for it , as local circulars are not sent after me . Had I been at home or received the circular in time before leaving home I would certainly have attended 62-1 , and given them every exlanation they required .

p 2 nd . Whether my scheme was so obscure as it is wished to have it made out , or whether the resolutions of St . George ' s Lodge are as courteous as they should have been , I allow your readers to judge . 3 rd . 1 have reason to believe from . the expressions I received , from some of the oldest ancl most respected members of the provincethat P . M . 624 would be hi the

, , minority in upholding the proceeding of the Deputy Prov . G . M ., who interrupted a brother whilst speaking to a motion before the Provincial Grand Lodge , of which regular notice had been given at the last regular Provincial Grand Lodge meeting—as reported in the Magazine—both the manner and the interruption was uncalled for ; and I was congratulated for the forbearance

shown by me , and rather than produce an unpleasant discusssion in tho lodge I took the course reported , of giving up the motion for the present . 4 < th . P . M . 624 forgets that he stated in Prov . Grand ! Lodge that no scheme was forwarded to the different lodges , as ordered in the lodge of emergency , and that , therefore , there was a reason why we should not discuss my motion in Prov . Grand Lodge last November . At the same time he says in his letter to you , ' Bro . Barker ' s ,

scheme was well understood by bM : Ot course he can best explain thc contradiction . 5 th . As to the extraneous matter introduced of fees of honour , and whether the recipients have been worthy of the honour or not ; and whether only brethren who can repeat by rote the tvork of the different degrees should receive a passport to the purple , and all other Masonic

worth be ignored , is a question I need not enter into here , as totally foreign to the present subject , and might advantageously be discussed with the great guns the worthy brother finds fault with , and who can defend themselves better than I can defend them ; as I don't consider , nor have ever considered , myself a great gun . The Charities will not suffer much from the

postponement of my motion , as one of my worthy colleagues , P . M . of 24 , both last y ear and this year , actively worked , and is working , for the Charities . I trust that his collections this year will be , for the Boys' and Girls' School , as large as they were last year for the Royal Benevolent Institution of Aged Freemasons' and their Widows . This worthbrother is not only a good working Mason

y in our ceremonies , from the B . A . to the 18 ° inclusive , but he is indefatigable in every good Masonic work , and yet he is not a great gun ; therefore Northumberland will keep its stand with the Charities , nothwithstandiug the postponement of my scheme . In proof that St . George ' s Lodge is not cognizant of the funds from which I intended to raise the money to

purchase votes for the lodges of the province , they say in Rule XVII . of their bye-laws , " But that iu the case of W . M . and Wardens , who may prove themselves bond fide working officers , the Finance Committee shall have the option of paying their fees of honour to the Provincial Fund of Benevolence , and also , " & c . Now , sir , these fees of honour are not paid to the Fund of Benevolence , but to the Fund of General Purposes . To you , sir , I was not far wrong in saying

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THE CHARITIES. Article 1
NEW GRAND MASTER FOR FRANCE. Article 1
FREEMASONRY IN FRANCE. Article 1
THE "SATURDAY REVIEW" AND THE "DAILY TELEGRAPH" ON FREEMASONRY. Article 4
MASONIC FACTS. Article 5
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 8
NOTES ON LITERATURE, SCIENCE, AND ART. Article 8
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 9
THE MASONIC CHARITIES. Article 10
THE PROVINCE OF NORTHUMBERLAND AND THE CHARITIES. Article 10
MR. PAPWORTH'S LECTURE. Article 11
KNIGHT TEMPLARS AND HIGH GRADES. Article 11
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 13
PROVINCIAL. Article 13
SCOTLAND. Article 17
CHANNEL ISLANDS. Article 18
TURKEY. Article 18
ROYAL ARCH. Article 18
Obituary. Article 18
PUBLIC AMUSEMENTS. Article 19
THE WEEK. Article 19
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Correspondence.

improvements effected in the Grand Master's apartments and the Grand Secretary ' s office , the new parts of the building being made to harmonize , and the whole property presenting a noble and architectural appearance worthy of the great Masonic body . Trusting you will pardon my encroaching at such a great length upon your space ,

I have the honour to be , Sir andBrother , yours fraternally , AN OLD PAST MASTER , And Member of Grand Lodge . P . S . —I have heard the name of Bro . Stephen Barton Wilson mentioned , as suggesting some plan for the adaptation of the property , his great Masonic experience , united to professional talents of the highest order , entitle Ms opinions to every consideration .

The Masonic Charities.

THE MASONIC CHARITIES .

10 THE EDTIOIt OF THE FREEMASONS MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . DEAR SIR . AND BROTHER , — -YOU have , it is true , raised a very important topic in your last number , under the head of Masonic Charities . You state a presentation has been effected in the Girl's School , by a payment of one hundred guineas , aud I would enquire- if that has been found inadequate seeing you now propose an extra ten guineas

to that amount ? From another part of the Mirror I see such persons as ivould become , under the scheme , presenters for life , or iu perpetuity , would have no right to vote at elections but simply to nominate a child upon the vacancy of his last appointment . Would snob a child have to undergo the examination proposed to all children for admission

io the schools , and be subject to rejection by the Committees ? Then if so , would it not be better to purchase such a number of votes and always have the means in the presenter ' s hands of getting , by his own exertions , a child into the schools ? For it is well known that unless

certain people can get their children in , all those who are not so favoured must stand by until Mr . Committee-man . is ensured of his candidate . I am not so clear why you should assume that only young men would buy presentations , to the Royal Benevolent Institution , by fixing the age of the presenter at 30 or 37 . If your theory on this point is correct the

older the presenter is the less it ivould cost , but who is to receive the benefit , the presenter , or the presentee ? To my thinking the calculation should be based on the age of the recipient of the benefits , because it matters but little how many the presenter appoints seeing he has paid a fixed sum and taking one presenter with anotherthe chances would ive a pretty fair to

, g average each . Hoping you will not lose sight of this subject , for which we are all indebted to yon , but show us , by actual tables pointed on specific data , the true way to accomplish so great an end , and returning you my thanks for your valuable , though imperfect suggestions .

I am truly yours , A P . S . It must be admitted that but few brethren would avail themselves of being presentoi-s , but many a lodge could , and would no doubt , constitute their W . M . a perpetual presenter , then I would ask how is the age of the presenter to be regulated ?

[ We would advise our Correspondent to read our article again . We have never assumed that all parties buying presentations would be young , having given the price up to the age of eighty seven , tolerably old ive think . As regards the last question there can be no difficulty , we having proposed that a perpetual presentation should be granted for a fixed sum . —ED . ]

The Province Of Northumberland And The Charities.

THE PROVINCE OF NORTHUMBERLAND AND THE CHARITIES .

TO THE EDITOR OE THE FREEMASONS MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . DEAR , SIR AND BROTHER , —In replying to P . M . 624-, 1 beg to say that I do so for the last time , for though the worthy brother is well known to me , I think , and having replied to his letter in my own name , he ought to have done the same . My reply shall be much briefer than his . In the first

place I beg to assure P . M . 624 , that if he sent me such an invitation to attend , I certainly did not see it ; and as in May I was in London this may account for it , as local circulars are not sent after me . Had I been at home or received the circular in time before leaving home I would certainly have attended 62-1 , and given them every exlanation they required .

p 2 nd . Whether my scheme was so obscure as it is wished to have it made out , or whether the resolutions of St . George ' s Lodge are as courteous as they should have been , I allow your readers to judge . 3 rd . 1 have reason to believe from . the expressions I received , from some of the oldest ancl most respected members of the provincethat P . M . 624 would be hi the

, , minority in upholding the proceeding of the Deputy Prov . G . M ., who interrupted a brother whilst speaking to a motion before the Provincial Grand Lodge , of which regular notice had been given at the last regular Provincial Grand Lodge meeting—as reported in the Magazine—both the manner and the interruption was uncalled for ; and I was congratulated for the forbearance

shown by me , and rather than produce an unpleasant discusssion in tho lodge I took the course reported , of giving up the motion for the present . 4 < th . P . M . 624 forgets that he stated in Prov . Grand ! Lodge that no scheme was forwarded to the different lodges , as ordered in the lodge of emergency , and that , therefore , there was a reason why we should not discuss my motion in Prov . Grand Lodge last November . At the same time he says in his letter to you , ' Bro . Barker ' s ,

scheme was well understood by bM : Ot course he can best explain thc contradiction . 5 th . As to the extraneous matter introduced of fees of honour , and whether the recipients have been worthy of the honour or not ; and whether only brethren who can repeat by rote the tvork of the different degrees should receive a passport to the purple , and all other Masonic

worth be ignored , is a question I need not enter into here , as totally foreign to the present subject , and might advantageously be discussed with the great guns the worthy brother finds fault with , and who can defend themselves better than I can defend them ; as I don't consider , nor have ever considered , myself a great gun . The Charities will not suffer much from the

postponement of my motion , as one of my worthy colleagues , P . M . of 24 , both last y ear and this year , actively worked , and is working , for the Charities . I trust that his collections this year will be , for the Boys' and Girls' School , as large as they were last year for the Royal Benevolent Institution of Aged Freemasons' and their Widows . This worthbrother is not only a good working Mason

y in our ceremonies , from the B . A . to the 18 ° inclusive , but he is indefatigable in every good Masonic work , and yet he is not a great gun ; therefore Northumberland will keep its stand with the Charities , nothwithstandiug the postponement of my scheme . In proof that St . George ' s Lodge is not cognizant of the funds from which I intended to raise the money to

purchase votes for the lodges of the province , they say in Rule XVII . of their bye-laws , " But that iu the case of W . M . and Wardens , who may prove themselves bond fide working officers , the Finance Committee shall have the option of paying their fees of honour to the Provincial Fund of Benevolence , and also , " & c . Now , sir , these fees of honour are not paid to the Fund of Benevolence , but to the Fund of General Purposes . To you , sir , I was not far wrong in saying

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