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The Knights Templars.

MASONIC NOTES AND QTJEBIES . DOCTOR DESAGOTXIERS . Dear Bro . " W . C . L ., " look into the biographical dictionaries . I take what follows from the "

Biographie Universelle , " first edition : " Jean Theophile X ) esaguiliers naquit a la Rochelle en 1684 . Son pere , Ministre Protestant , ayant ete oblige de se retirer en Angleterre par suite de la revocation de l ' edit de Nantes , y hit charge de l'education de la jeunesse dans l ' ecole dTslington . Le jeune Desaguiliers

, ayant perdu son pere , quitta l'ecole dTslington , et ¦ alia etudier en philosophiedansl'TJniversite d ' Oxford . ... II se rendifc a Londres dans la vue de se consacrer a 1 ' etat eeclesiastique . II entra dans les ordres , precha a Hampton Court en 1716 devant 3 e Roi , et fut ordonne pretre en 1717 . II obtinfc

¦ ensuite deux cures , et fut ehapelain du Due de Chandos , et puis du Prince de Galles . " That such a man ^ should , on the revival of an Institution which ¦ was in its old state Christian , have made ifc in its new state theistic , appears somewhat improbable . AVhen all the facts in any way relating to the matter which

you are investigating shall have made their appearance in our periodical , you must have recourse to your dialectic . Tou will , I apprehend , find no great difficulty iu coining to a satisfactory conclusion . — C . P . COOPEE .

THE KNIGHTS TEJIPDABS . I am much gratified to learn from Bro . A >* Fs communication that my small attempts have been acceptable to the brethren . The fifth book of the History will take up the Templars from the bull of Pope John in 1319 to the present time . U the

pon suppression of the order , the Kni ghts were ordered to retire into some religious house ; nofc more than one to be in the same bouse , unless the house belonged to the Hospitallers . There never was , and there never has been , up till the end of the seventeenth or beginning of the eihteenth century

g any connection between the Templars and Freemasons . The true descendants of tbe ancient Templars are the barristers of the Temple , regarding whom quaint old Wick Fuller says , " They defend one Christian from another , as the old ones did Christians from Pagans . " In Scotland the order merged in that of the Hospital .

James IV . gave a charter to the Knights of the Hospital and the Temple , confirming previous grants ; hut this merely * was a law term , confirming the grantees of the charter , as holders of land known as Hospital and Temple lands . There is not a single document in existence previous

to 1700 which can prove the transmission of the Templars ; and brethren who argue upon the words " tradition " and " time immemorial" must have a very small knowledge of the history of the time between 1319 and 1700 , and also a small knowledge of the iron grasp of Church and State to maintain their decrees . There was no secret doctrine among the ancient Templars . —ANTHONY ONEAL HAYE .

A QUESTION . If the religion of our Institution is not Christianit y , with toleration , but mere theism , why do we in the provinces , on great and solemn occasions , go in pro-

The Knights Templars.

cessions of hundreds to Christian churches and cathedrals , and there offer up Christian prayers , and hear Christian sermons and Christian sacred music ? ( Question taken from one of Bro . Purton Cooper ' s notebooks . )

Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

The Editor ij no' responsible for the opinions expressed by Correspondent ) . J . A . H . AND THE PROA INCE OF JERSEY .

TO SUB EDITOR * OF THK EREBHASOIfS * 3 U . Gi . ZIH : E AND MASONIC MIBSOB . DEAR SIR ASD BROTHER , —I have been much gratified in reading the admirable articles on various subjects of interest to the Craft hy J . A . H . which have appeared in the Freemasons' Magazine , and their general accuracy and interesting style have been most

satisfactorily noticed by myself and friends . In the last , however , on " The Province of Jersey , " in describing the Cesaree Lodge , which is conducted in the French language , Bro . J . A . H . is in error in stating that " the Orateur of that lodge is tbe only officer of that name at present existing under the

English jurisdiction ; '' for at the present time , « a & . before the Cesaree Lodge was established , the Lodge of Antiquity ( JS o . 2 ) , Freemasons' Hall , London , in accordance with its time-immemorial privileges , has an Orator for one of its officers . Although but few lodges in England retain the office of Orator , such omission is more apparent than real , as the " Lecture

Master" at Hull , Birmingham , Truro , and other towns is virtually the Orator under another title , and is either supposed or required to deliver orations and lectures at suitable periods , and in some cases annually to the members of tbe lodge . For the credit of the fraternity in Jersey , I can

scarcely believe that the Masons who repeatedly assured Bro . J . A . H . that " previous to Bro . Hammond ' s appointment to the Grand Mastershi p there never had been a Grand Master of Jersey" were either versed m tbe history of tbe province or capable of giving an opinion on the matter , as even in the

Book of Constitutions , seventh edition , there is a record of such an appointment , A . D . 1781 ' , which work is actually in the library of the Masonic Temple , Jersey . I would rather consider that in this instance Bro . J . A . H . had not applied to the leading members of the fraternity in that island for his information .

In common with several brethren , I look with increasing interest for the next article from the pen of J . A . H ., and cannot see why he should adopt the anonymous style , when certainly the mention of his name would give still more authority to his contributions , and act as an inducement for others to do likewise .

His courteous reference to the Red Cross of Rome and Constantine in the article on " The Province of Jersey" is quite a pleasing contrast to the several letters on that order which have appeared in the Magazine of late . Tours fraternally , W . J . HUGHA-N-. Truro . May 9 th .

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FREEMASONRY IN THE 17TH CENTURY. Article 1
MASONIC WORTHIES OF JERSEY. Article 4
A GERMAN VIEW OF BRO. D. MURRAY LYON'S HISTORY OF MOTHER KILWINNING. Article 7
DEGREES OF MASONIC KNIGHTHOOD v. THE RED CROSS OF ROME AND CONSTANTINE. Article 8
THE KNIGHTS TEMPLARS. Article 10
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 11
SUPERSTITION IN THE INTERIOR OF AFRICA. Article 12
RED CROSS OF CONSTANTINE. Article 13
FRENCH MASONRY. Article 13
MASONIC LIFEBOAT FUND. Article 13
MASONIC MEMS. Article 14
METROPOLITAN. Article 14
PROVINCIAL. Article 15
DEVONSHIRE. Article 15
KNIGHTS TEMPLAR. Article 16
MASONIC FESTIVITIES. Article 18
RESTORATION OF BRISTOL CATHEDRAL NAVE. Article 18
REVIEWS, Article 20
MEETINGS OF THE LEARNED SOCIETIES FOR THE WEEK ENDING MAT 30TH, 1868. Article 20
METROPOLITAN LODGE MEETINGS, ETC., FOR THE WEEK ENDING MAT 30TH, 1868. Article 20
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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The Knights Templars.

MASONIC NOTES AND QTJEBIES . DOCTOR DESAGOTXIERS . Dear Bro . " W . C . L ., " look into the biographical dictionaries . I take what follows from the "

Biographie Universelle , " first edition : " Jean Theophile X ) esaguiliers naquit a la Rochelle en 1684 . Son pere , Ministre Protestant , ayant ete oblige de se retirer en Angleterre par suite de la revocation de l ' edit de Nantes , y hit charge de l'education de la jeunesse dans l ' ecole dTslington . Le jeune Desaguiliers

, ayant perdu son pere , quitta l'ecole dTslington , et ¦ alia etudier en philosophiedansl'TJniversite d ' Oxford . ... II se rendifc a Londres dans la vue de se consacrer a 1 ' etat eeclesiastique . II entra dans les ordres , precha a Hampton Court en 1716 devant 3 e Roi , et fut ordonne pretre en 1717 . II obtinfc

¦ ensuite deux cures , et fut ehapelain du Due de Chandos , et puis du Prince de Galles . " That such a man ^ should , on the revival of an Institution which ¦ was in its old state Christian , have made ifc in its new state theistic , appears somewhat improbable . AVhen all the facts in any way relating to the matter which

you are investigating shall have made their appearance in our periodical , you must have recourse to your dialectic . Tou will , I apprehend , find no great difficulty iu coining to a satisfactory conclusion . — C . P . COOPEE .

THE KNIGHTS TEJIPDABS . I am much gratified to learn from Bro . A >* Fs communication that my small attempts have been acceptable to the brethren . The fifth book of the History will take up the Templars from the bull of Pope John in 1319 to the present time . U the

pon suppression of the order , the Kni ghts were ordered to retire into some religious house ; nofc more than one to be in the same bouse , unless the house belonged to the Hospitallers . There never was , and there never has been , up till the end of the seventeenth or beginning of the eihteenth century

g any connection between the Templars and Freemasons . The true descendants of tbe ancient Templars are the barristers of the Temple , regarding whom quaint old Wick Fuller says , " They defend one Christian from another , as the old ones did Christians from Pagans . " In Scotland the order merged in that of the Hospital .

James IV . gave a charter to the Knights of the Hospital and the Temple , confirming previous grants ; hut this merely * was a law term , confirming the grantees of the charter , as holders of land known as Hospital and Temple lands . There is not a single document in existence previous

to 1700 which can prove the transmission of the Templars ; and brethren who argue upon the words " tradition " and " time immemorial" must have a very small knowledge of the history of the time between 1319 and 1700 , and also a small knowledge of the iron grasp of Church and State to maintain their decrees . There was no secret doctrine among the ancient Templars . —ANTHONY ONEAL HAYE .

A QUESTION . If the religion of our Institution is not Christianit y , with toleration , but mere theism , why do we in the provinces , on great and solemn occasions , go in pro-

The Knights Templars.

cessions of hundreds to Christian churches and cathedrals , and there offer up Christian prayers , and hear Christian sermons and Christian sacred music ? ( Question taken from one of Bro . Purton Cooper ' s notebooks . )

Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

The Editor ij no' responsible for the opinions expressed by Correspondent ) . J . A . H . AND THE PROA INCE OF JERSEY .

TO SUB EDITOR * OF THK EREBHASOIfS * 3 U . Gi . ZIH : E AND MASONIC MIBSOB . DEAR SIR ASD BROTHER , —I have been much gratified in reading the admirable articles on various subjects of interest to the Craft hy J . A . H . which have appeared in the Freemasons' Magazine , and their general accuracy and interesting style have been most

satisfactorily noticed by myself and friends . In the last , however , on " The Province of Jersey , " in describing the Cesaree Lodge , which is conducted in the French language , Bro . J . A . H . is in error in stating that " the Orateur of that lodge is tbe only officer of that name at present existing under the

English jurisdiction ; '' for at the present time , « a & . before the Cesaree Lodge was established , the Lodge of Antiquity ( JS o . 2 ) , Freemasons' Hall , London , in accordance with its time-immemorial privileges , has an Orator for one of its officers . Although but few lodges in England retain the office of Orator , such omission is more apparent than real , as the " Lecture

Master" at Hull , Birmingham , Truro , and other towns is virtually the Orator under another title , and is either supposed or required to deliver orations and lectures at suitable periods , and in some cases annually to the members of tbe lodge . For the credit of the fraternity in Jersey , I can

scarcely believe that the Masons who repeatedly assured Bro . J . A . H . that " previous to Bro . Hammond ' s appointment to the Grand Mastershi p there never had been a Grand Master of Jersey" were either versed m tbe history of tbe province or capable of giving an opinion on the matter , as even in the

Book of Constitutions , seventh edition , there is a record of such an appointment , A . D . 1781 ' , which work is actually in the library of the Masonic Temple , Jersey . I would rather consider that in this instance Bro . J . A . H . had not applied to the leading members of the fraternity in that island for his information .

In common with several brethren , I look with increasing interest for the next article from the pen of J . A . H ., and cannot see why he should adopt the anonymous style , when certainly the mention of his name would give still more authority to his contributions , and act as an inducement for others to do likewise .

His courteous reference to the Red Cross of Rome and Constantine in the article on " The Province of Jersey" is quite a pleasing contrast to the several letters on that order which have appeared in the Magazine of late . Tours fraternally , W . J . HUGHA-N-. Truro . May 9 th .

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