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Masonic Worthies Of Jersey.

Manuel . The proceedings were throughout of a most interesting and enthusiastic character , and afforded an excellent criterion of the respect with which Bro . Dr . Le Cronier is regarded as a gentleman and a Mason . ( To be continued . )

A German View Of Bro. D. Murray Lyon's History Of Mother Kilwinning.

A GERMAN VIEW OF BRO . D . MURRAY LYON'S HISTORY OF MOTHER KILWINNING .

Hie Bauhutte , of April 11 th , published at Leipzig , and edited by Bro . J . G . Findel , quotes under the heading Literary Intelligence ( Literar-¦ ische Besprechungen ) part of the preface to Bro . Dr . Merzdorf ' s translation into German of Bro .

D . Murray Lyon ' s papers to this MAGAZINE entitled '" Mother Kilwinning . " We give it in English , a place here for the benefit of our readers . " In the preface it runs thus : —The importance -which has long been assigned , sometimes openly ,

¦ sometimes by obscure reference , to the little place Kilwinning , in Scotland , in connection with Freemasonry , has for long drawn our attention to it ; but it was impossible to come to any decided con-• clusion until , at last , in 1862 , Bro . Murray Lyon ,

Provincial Grand Warden of Ayrshire , sent communications to the FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE drawn from the archives of the Mother Lodge , Kilwinning , whose account we mean to lay before our German readers . We have found the

beforementioned brother's communications of the greatest interest chiefly on this account , that they authentically confirm what up to the present time was only a conjecture , though a true one . " The history of this lodge on the misty coast

• of West Scotland throws the clearest light upon the history of the nature of the lodges ; for as here , undoubtedly , the Freemason lodge developed itself out of the building corporation , so will it be found to be the same in VI cases . We know

particularly , as regards Scotland , that in the archives of the Lodges of Mary ' s Chapel in Edinburgh , St . John in Glasgow , St . John in Melrose , and Ancient in Stirling , as well as at Scoone and Perth , records of the corporation are preserved , which stretch far

into the Middle Ages , but do not possess the connection of those of Kilwinning Lodge , whose age , . and reputation as the stem-lodge of Scotland , . could only for a short time be doubted or disparaged . We have carried the history only up tc ithe year 1807 , until which time Kilwinning was

quite independent , of the Grand Lodge at Edinburgh . Since that time it has passed into the position of a Provincial Grand Lodge , and has exercised no greater influence upon the further development of the corporation than those placed

in similar positions usually do . Nevertheless , in order to illustrate earlier data and opinions , we have not neglected , where it was necessary , to bring forward what was desiderated out of the records of Kilwinning subsequent to the year 1807 .

" The design of the whole work—a design which we have with pleasure devoted ourselves to unfold —was principally this : to dispel the opinion that in Kilwinning the high grade of Freemasonry , in any form , whatever , had its seat , and had from that

p lace risen and spread into the halls of the Freemasons . The Kilwinning brethren have , for our satisfaction , assured us that ' they have never gone further in practice than the Three Step Masons . ' To show this distinctly to all is of importance ;

for it cannot be too often enjoined , or too clearly expressed in every possible manner , that only in the three ' steps of John' the nature of the corporation is expressed , and that the high grade , even with the best intentions , has done more harm

than good to the confederation . " We '* have given four sketches in the original , believing that those who purpose engaging in the study of the nature of the lodges would think it desirable to have the original before them . " The conclusion runs thus : —To draw a

conclusion from the representation before us , we arrive at the following decided results , which , naturally , have their influence upon the character of lodges in general , and establish the relation of the building lodges to the Freemason lodges , as well as the

orig in of the latter out of the former : — " 1 . In Kilwinning a very old ( whether ifc be the oldest or not we shall not decide ) building lodge stood , which existed until the I 7 tb century . " 2 . Gentlemen , patrons of architdctnre , as well as

lairds who were settled in the neighbourhood , were received into it ; still the greater number of the members consisted of working masons , who upon admission enjoyed certain privileges regarding wages , which continued in force up to modern times .

" 3 . The rule formerly was , to choose the functionaries from amongst the working masons ; and it is oalv since the middle of last century that gentlemen succeeded to ths position . " 4 . There is no trace of any secret knowledge , or any connection with the allied higher grades . The

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FREEMASONRY IN THE 17TH CENTURY. Article 1
MASONIC WORTHIES OF JERSEY. Article 4
A GERMAN VIEW OF BRO. D. MURRAY LYON'S HISTORY OF MOTHER KILWINNING. Article 7
DEGREES OF MASONIC KNIGHTHOOD v. THE RED CROSS OF ROME AND CONSTANTINE. Article 8
THE KNIGHTS TEMPLARS. Article 10
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 11
SUPERSTITION IN THE INTERIOR OF AFRICA. Article 12
RED CROSS OF CONSTANTINE. Article 13
FRENCH MASONRY. Article 13
MASONIC LIFEBOAT FUND. Article 13
MASONIC MEMS. Article 14
METROPOLITAN. Article 14
PROVINCIAL. Article 15
DEVONSHIRE. Article 15
KNIGHTS TEMPLAR. Article 16
MASONIC FESTIVITIES. Article 18
RESTORATION OF BRISTOL CATHEDRAL NAVE. Article 18
REVIEWS, Article 20
MEETINGS OF THE LEARNED SOCIETIES FOR THE WEEK ENDING MAT 30TH, 1868. Article 20
METROPOLITAN LODGE MEETINGS, ETC., FOR THE WEEK ENDING MAT 30TH, 1868. Article 20
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Masonic Worthies Of Jersey.

Manuel . The proceedings were throughout of a most interesting and enthusiastic character , and afforded an excellent criterion of the respect with which Bro . Dr . Le Cronier is regarded as a gentleman and a Mason . ( To be continued . )

A German View Of Bro. D. Murray Lyon's History Of Mother Kilwinning.

A GERMAN VIEW OF BRO . D . MURRAY LYON'S HISTORY OF MOTHER KILWINNING .

Hie Bauhutte , of April 11 th , published at Leipzig , and edited by Bro . J . G . Findel , quotes under the heading Literary Intelligence ( Literar-¦ ische Besprechungen ) part of the preface to Bro . Dr . Merzdorf ' s translation into German of Bro .

D . Murray Lyon ' s papers to this MAGAZINE entitled '" Mother Kilwinning . " We give it in English , a place here for the benefit of our readers . " In the preface it runs thus : —The importance -which has long been assigned , sometimes openly ,

¦ sometimes by obscure reference , to the little place Kilwinning , in Scotland , in connection with Freemasonry , has for long drawn our attention to it ; but it was impossible to come to any decided con-• clusion until , at last , in 1862 , Bro . Murray Lyon ,

Provincial Grand Warden of Ayrshire , sent communications to the FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE drawn from the archives of the Mother Lodge , Kilwinning , whose account we mean to lay before our German readers . We have found the

beforementioned brother's communications of the greatest interest chiefly on this account , that they authentically confirm what up to the present time was only a conjecture , though a true one . " The history of this lodge on the misty coast

• of West Scotland throws the clearest light upon the history of the nature of the lodges ; for as here , undoubtedly , the Freemason lodge developed itself out of the building corporation , so will it be found to be the same in VI cases . We know

particularly , as regards Scotland , that in the archives of the Lodges of Mary ' s Chapel in Edinburgh , St . John in Glasgow , St . John in Melrose , and Ancient in Stirling , as well as at Scoone and Perth , records of the corporation are preserved , which stretch far

into the Middle Ages , but do not possess the connection of those of Kilwinning Lodge , whose age , . and reputation as the stem-lodge of Scotland , . could only for a short time be doubted or disparaged . We have carried the history only up tc ithe year 1807 , until which time Kilwinning was

quite independent , of the Grand Lodge at Edinburgh . Since that time it has passed into the position of a Provincial Grand Lodge , and has exercised no greater influence upon the further development of the corporation than those placed

in similar positions usually do . Nevertheless , in order to illustrate earlier data and opinions , we have not neglected , where it was necessary , to bring forward what was desiderated out of the records of Kilwinning subsequent to the year 1807 .

" The design of the whole work—a design which we have with pleasure devoted ourselves to unfold —was principally this : to dispel the opinion that in Kilwinning the high grade of Freemasonry , in any form , whatever , had its seat , and had from that

p lace risen and spread into the halls of the Freemasons . The Kilwinning brethren have , for our satisfaction , assured us that ' they have never gone further in practice than the Three Step Masons . ' To show this distinctly to all is of importance ;

for it cannot be too often enjoined , or too clearly expressed in every possible manner , that only in the three ' steps of John' the nature of the corporation is expressed , and that the high grade , even with the best intentions , has done more harm

than good to the confederation . " We '* have given four sketches in the original , believing that those who purpose engaging in the study of the nature of the lodges would think it desirable to have the original before them . " The conclusion runs thus : —To draw a

conclusion from the representation before us , we arrive at the following decided results , which , naturally , have their influence upon the character of lodges in general , and establish the relation of the building lodges to the Freemason lodges , as well as the

orig in of the latter out of the former : — " 1 . In Kilwinning a very old ( whether ifc be the oldest or not we shall not decide ) building lodge stood , which existed until the I 7 tb century . " 2 . Gentlemen , patrons of architdctnre , as well as

lairds who were settled in the neighbourhood , were received into it ; still the greater number of the members consisted of working masons , who upon admission enjoyed certain privileges regarding wages , which continued in force up to modern times .

" 3 . The rule formerly was , to choose the functionaries from amongst the working masons ; and it is oalv since the middle of last century that gentlemen succeeded to ths position . " 4 . There is no trace of any secret knowledge , or any connection with the allied higher grades . The

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