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Masonic Notes And Queries.

MASONIC MSS . I have read Halliwell ' s Poem carefully , and I can find no evidence of speculative Masonry in it . However , if " A Masonic Student " thinks he does so , let him point out or quote the passage , and we shall see what it is worth . As to its age , Mr . Bond , the keeper of MSS ., British Museum , says it " is of the middle of the loth century . " However , the chief point is its contents . —W . P . B .

Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

The Editor is not responsible for the opinions expressed by Correspondents

INDISCRIMINATE ALMSGIVING AND MASONIC IMPOSTORS .

TO IKE EfllTOK OF THE PEEEITASOXS' iTAGAZKOJ AND MASONIC MIE 3101 ! . Dear Sir and Brother , —Would you kindly allow me to call the attention of the Masonic public , to the habit of giving relief to unknown and unworthy Masons , and to ask if any of your readers can make known a way in which these impostors could be

made public . The desirability of establishing a good system of relief having been long felt by the brethren of Liverpool , Manchester , and Birmingham , they have organized in these towns , for the purpose of carrying out this object , certain committees . These Committees have been successful in their operations , and

by a weekly interchange of Reports , find that they mutually protect each other from imposition , whilst opportunity is frequently afforded of giving more substantial relief than may be at the disposal of a single Committee . My object in addressing you on this subject is to

ask the large towns where no Committees are established to join in this good work , and to adopt a similar system , and I shall be glad to lay our plans before your readers . Our -Committees have no desire to monopolize the relief of allstill less to check the flow of private

, benevolence ; on the contrary , they wish to see charity widely exercised , but on deserving objects only , and not on impostors and vagabonds . I will now give you two cases of the many that come before our Committees , and will need no comments of

. Relief Committee'Liverpool . August Qth . Mxtract from Beport : — H ¦ G n , l 7 , New York , relieved by the Liverpool Committee with 20 s . to go to London to meet his mother . Instead of going to London he went to Manchesterwhere he stated he had come

, direct from Glasgow by rail ,- had never been relieved in England ^ He was furnished with the Liverpool Report of the 20 s . granted , he then admitted having been relieved by us in Liverpool . Of course the Manchester Committee gave him nothing , and sent him away empty .

JACQUES L s , of Paris . This was a Frenchman ; he came before the Liverpool Committee for means to go home ; we Dent him to the Distressed Foreigners' Society , they granted him a passage home , and we granted him 20 s . also . Instead of going home he went to Manchester , and when asked if he had not had his passage paid , he said he had not ; he denied having been in Liverpool . This case is in the hands of the ^ Distressed Foreigners' Society to deal with .

Correspondence.

He must be a great impostor . Hoping you will find room in your next . Yours fraternally , THOMAS MAESH , Hon . Sec , Liverpool Relief Committee . Hope-street , Liv erpool . [ The insertion of the foregoing letter has been delayed until the results of some special inquiries had been ascertained . —ED . F . M . ]

Masonic Sermon.

MASONIC SERMON .

TO THE EDITOE OP THE FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIBBOB . Dear Sir and Brother , —I have recently read elsewhere what I suppose is intended to be designated a Masonic Sermon . I read said " sermon , " and I beg to say that , as a Freemason , I am thoroughly ashamed of it , although I am not astonished at it . It was delivered by the " Rev . Charles LeeM . A . " & c . at

, , , the St . John ' s Centenary , No . 167 ; and such a production to come from the pulpit in Oct . 1869 ! I could hardly have believed my ears had I heard it , but here it is in print ! Has the reverend brother been asleep during these last three years ? Or is he quite sane ? Or was he delivering a practical joke ? I do

wish he would send me that "Royal Charter in 926 , " of which he says , " The very original of that charter remains , I believe , to the present day ! " If he would only do that , I verily believe that I would throw my 1717 date to the wind . Then how refreshing it is to read in a Masonic Sermon of our old

friends Adam and Eve , Solomon , Pythagoras , St . Alban , St . Augustine , Alfred , Edward III ., and Henry VI ., with a lot of other " Grand Masters and nursing Fathers ! " I consider that the ignorance of general , Masonic , and architectural history displayed in that " Sermon " is not creditable . Save us from

similar clerical inflictions in future , or the pouring forth of such Masouic Arabian Nights' tales as Gospel . Yours fraternally , W . P . BUCHAB " .

Archives Of The Grand Lodge Of Holland.

ARCHIVES OF THE GRAND LODGE OF HOLLAND .

TO THE EDITOR OF TnE FREEMASONS MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRBOE . Dear Sir and Brother , —The subjoined information communicated by me a few days ago to a very distinguished Mason , may be acceptable to some of your readers . The portion of the correspondence between the Grand Lodges of England and Holland , which our Brother S . H . Hertzvoldof the Haguehas

, , printed , consists of the four following letters : — 1 . —Thomas Manningham , Deputy Grand Master of England , 3 rd December , 1756 . In French . 2 . —S . H . Lauer , 12 th February , 1757 . In French . 3 . —Th . Manningham , 12 th July , 1757 . In English . Printed Freemasons' MagazineVol . 19 p . 133 . Two

, , paragraphs omitted . 4 . —Baron De Boetzelaar , Deputy Grand Master of Holland . 15 th November , 1757 . In French . In his letter to Bro . Hertzvold states that he himself copied the four letters from the originals which exist in the Archives of the Grand Lodof

ge Holland , observing the same orthography . There is nothing in the letters bearing upon the question now so much discussed in your columns , except the passage to which attention was drawn a year ago . — CHAELES PUETON COOPEE .

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MASONIC DISCIPLINE AND THE RITUAL.—XXII. Article 5
LODGE MINUTES, ETC.—No. 8. Article 6
HISTORY OF VOTING BY BALLOT. Article 7
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 9
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 11
MASONIC SERMON. Article 11
ARCHIVES OF THE GRAND LODGE OF HOLLAND. Article 11
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MASONIC MEMS. Article 12
ROYAL MASONIC INSTITUTION FOR BOYS. Article 12
METROPOLITAN. Article 12
PROVINCIAL. Article 15
CHANNEL ISLANDS. Article 17
SCOTLAND. Article 17
IRELAND. Article 17
ROYAL ARCH. Article 17
MARK MASONRY. Article 18
REVIEWS. Article 18
PRESENTATION TO BRO. COLLEY, HOUSE SURGEON OF THE YARMOUTH HOSPITAL. Article 19
LIST OF LODGE, &c., MEETINGS FOR WEEK ENDING 30TH OCTOBER, 1869. Article 20
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Masonic Notes And Queries.

MASONIC MSS . I have read Halliwell ' s Poem carefully , and I can find no evidence of speculative Masonry in it . However , if " A Masonic Student " thinks he does so , let him point out or quote the passage , and we shall see what it is worth . As to its age , Mr . Bond , the keeper of MSS ., British Museum , says it " is of the middle of the loth century . " However , the chief point is its contents . —W . P . B .

Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

The Editor is not responsible for the opinions expressed by Correspondents

INDISCRIMINATE ALMSGIVING AND MASONIC IMPOSTORS .

TO IKE EfllTOK OF THE PEEEITASOXS' iTAGAZKOJ AND MASONIC MIE 3101 ! . Dear Sir and Brother , —Would you kindly allow me to call the attention of the Masonic public , to the habit of giving relief to unknown and unworthy Masons , and to ask if any of your readers can make known a way in which these impostors could be

made public . The desirability of establishing a good system of relief having been long felt by the brethren of Liverpool , Manchester , and Birmingham , they have organized in these towns , for the purpose of carrying out this object , certain committees . These Committees have been successful in their operations , and

by a weekly interchange of Reports , find that they mutually protect each other from imposition , whilst opportunity is frequently afforded of giving more substantial relief than may be at the disposal of a single Committee . My object in addressing you on this subject is to

ask the large towns where no Committees are established to join in this good work , and to adopt a similar system , and I shall be glad to lay our plans before your readers . Our -Committees have no desire to monopolize the relief of allstill less to check the flow of private

, benevolence ; on the contrary , they wish to see charity widely exercised , but on deserving objects only , and not on impostors and vagabonds . I will now give you two cases of the many that come before our Committees , and will need no comments of

. Relief Committee'Liverpool . August Qth . Mxtract from Beport : — H ¦ G n , l 7 , New York , relieved by the Liverpool Committee with 20 s . to go to London to meet his mother . Instead of going to London he went to Manchesterwhere he stated he had come

, direct from Glasgow by rail ,- had never been relieved in England ^ He was furnished with the Liverpool Report of the 20 s . granted , he then admitted having been relieved by us in Liverpool . Of course the Manchester Committee gave him nothing , and sent him away empty .

JACQUES L s , of Paris . This was a Frenchman ; he came before the Liverpool Committee for means to go home ; we Dent him to the Distressed Foreigners' Society , they granted him a passage home , and we granted him 20 s . also . Instead of going home he went to Manchester , and when asked if he had not had his passage paid , he said he had not ; he denied having been in Liverpool . This case is in the hands of the ^ Distressed Foreigners' Society to deal with .

Correspondence.

He must be a great impostor . Hoping you will find room in your next . Yours fraternally , THOMAS MAESH , Hon . Sec , Liverpool Relief Committee . Hope-street , Liv erpool . [ The insertion of the foregoing letter has been delayed until the results of some special inquiries had been ascertained . —ED . F . M . ]

Masonic Sermon.

MASONIC SERMON .

TO THE EDITOE OP THE FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIBBOB . Dear Sir and Brother , —I have recently read elsewhere what I suppose is intended to be designated a Masonic Sermon . I read said " sermon , " and I beg to say that , as a Freemason , I am thoroughly ashamed of it , although I am not astonished at it . It was delivered by the " Rev . Charles LeeM . A . " & c . at

, , , the St . John ' s Centenary , No . 167 ; and such a production to come from the pulpit in Oct . 1869 ! I could hardly have believed my ears had I heard it , but here it is in print ! Has the reverend brother been asleep during these last three years ? Or is he quite sane ? Or was he delivering a practical joke ? I do

wish he would send me that "Royal Charter in 926 , " of which he says , " The very original of that charter remains , I believe , to the present day ! " If he would only do that , I verily believe that I would throw my 1717 date to the wind . Then how refreshing it is to read in a Masonic Sermon of our old

friends Adam and Eve , Solomon , Pythagoras , St . Alban , St . Augustine , Alfred , Edward III ., and Henry VI ., with a lot of other " Grand Masters and nursing Fathers ! " I consider that the ignorance of general , Masonic , and architectural history displayed in that " Sermon " is not creditable . Save us from

similar clerical inflictions in future , or the pouring forth of such Masouic Arabian Nights' tales as Gospel . Yours fraternally , W . P . BUCHAB " .

Archives Of The Grand Lodge Of Holland.

ARCHIVES OF THE GRAND LODGE OF HOLLAND .

TO THE EDITOR OF TnE FREEMASONS MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRBOE . Dear Sir and Brother , —The subjoined information communicated by me a few days ago to a very distinguished Mason , may be acceptable to some of your readers . The portion of the correspondence between the Grand Lodges of England and Holland , which our Brother S . H . Hertzvoldof the Haguehas

, , printed , consists of the four following letters : — 1 . —Thomas Manningham , Deputy Grand Master of England , 3 rd December , 1756 . In French . 2 . —S . H . Lauer , 12 th February , 1757 . In French . 3 . —Th . Manningham , 12 th July , 1757 . In English . Printed Freemasons' MagazineVol . 19 p . 133 . Two

, , paragraphs omitted . 4 . —Baron De Boetzelaar , Deputy Grand Master of Holland . 15 th November , 1757 . In French . In his letter to Bro . Hertzvold states that he himself copied the four letters from the originals which exist in the Archives of the Grand Lodof

ge Holland , observing the same orthography . There is nothing in the letters bearing upon the question now so much discussed in your columns , except the passage to which attention was drawn a year ago . — CHAELES PUETON COOPEE .

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