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  • THE GRAND LODGE OF SCOTLAND, AND THE ST. JOHN'S LODGE MEMORIAL.
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The Grand Lodge Of Scotland, And The St. John's Lodge Memorial.

plate , as he had performed thafc duty on several previous occasions ; to Avhich the Grand Secretary replied thafc lie did nofc anticipate any objections would be made to bhe request . No blame can be attached fco the late Grand Secretary for nofc

informing the Grand Master of Sfc . John ' s claims . fco the exclusive right of precedence in such cases : he could net be expected to do so , Avhen Sfc . John ' s Lodge had never insisted on these , or ever brought themiforward ( pro forma ) on former occasions when fche Grand Lodge Avas presiding afc demonstrations in the Western Province .

The above are the facts of the case as elicited by your Sub-Commifcfcee . There can be bufc one opinion as to the desirability of some measure being . adopted which shall allay in future the irritation which has sprung up in reference to the right ; or

honour as to who shall carry the working tools , & c , of Grand Lodge . The Journeyman Lodge , at conclusion of their answers state , that " they are not unwilling to enter into an arrangement . whereby the present privileges of the lodge may

be preserved intact , bufc they are also willing thafc such other plan be arranged as -will enable any operative lodge in the Province to enjoy the privilege on intimating a desire to that effect to the Grand Secretary within a reasonable time

previous to the date of the ceremony , and that the same be intimated to the lodge No . 8 . " Bro . Porteous' motion which comes up for discussion afc next quarterly communication ( i . e ., on 6 fch Feb .

1871 ) of Grand Lodge , also seeks to have ifc enacted that " in Provinces out of the Metropolitan district the Avorking tools shall be carried by the Senior Operative Lodge , or failing avhich , the oldest Lodge in fche district on Grand Lodge Roll . "

The Sub-Committee are of opinion that the adoption of either of these motions will not secure a harmonious and lasting decision of the question at issue . Both motions seek to maintain , and that in a new law , a distinction between Operative and

Speculative Masonry , which is not , and has not been recognized by our own or other Grand Lodges for many years past ; and by giving this preference to the elder , they would effectually exclude the younger lodges from the privilege in

question , though it cannot be disputed , thafc they are quite ^ entitled to participate along Avith the older lodges in all honours Grand Lodge has to bestow . Your Committee , in concluding this report ,

The Grand Lodge Of Scotland, And The St. John's Lodge Memorial.

Avould venture to suggest that the simplest and fairest way to settle the point at issue , and secure peace and harmony in future , would be , Avhile allowing the Journeymen Lodge the privilege they have hitherto enjoyed of carrying the working

tools aud other paraphernalia of Grand Lodge in the metropolitan district , that , if it is the wish of the Provincial Grand Lodge of Glasgow—which forms a large and influential section of our Craft , aud Avhose opinions and requests

must always meet Avith brotherly consideration from Grand Lodo-e—that Sfc . John ' s should have the same privilege in that Province the honour should be conceded to No . 3 = there and . in any other

place or Province Avhen the Grand Lodge is officiating , the Grand Master , or the brother acting for him , shall have the poAver of fixing on the Lodge or Lodges to carry the tools , & c , for the occasion , and his decision should nofc be open to

review . This course was adopted by the Earl of Dalhousie afc Forfar in 1869 , when he divided fche honour between the two Lodges of the town in which the demonstration took place , and which arrangement gave general satisfaction to all

parties concerned . Reported by , ( Signed ) ALEX . HAT , DAVID KINNEAE , WILLIAM HAY .

The foregoing Report was submitted to Grand . Lodge at Quarterly Communication on 6 th February , 1871 , and adopted without fche suggestions contained at the close thereof . As fco the motion of Bro . Porfceous , above referred to , owing to his

absence on 6 th February , ifc fell through . Consequently the general arrangement as to carrying working tools for the future has yet to be made .

Separation Of G. Commandery Of Virginia From The G. Encampment, U.S.

SEPARATION OF G . COMMANDERY OF VIRGINIA FROM THE G . ENCAMPMENT , U . S .

The Committee on a separation of the Knights Templar of Virginia , from the Grand Encampment of the United States , appointed in December , 1869 , reported at the last Annual Conclave , held December 15 th , u ! t ., and the report was adopted .

After detailing at great length their discontent , and the reasons therefor , the report concluded Avith fche folloAving preamble and resolutions ;—

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THE FUND OF BENEVOLENCE. Article 1
THE GRAND LODGE OF SCOTLAND, AND THE ST. JOHN'S LODGE MEMORIAL. Article 3
SEPARATION OF G. COMMANDERY OF VIRGINIA FROM THE G. ENCAMPMENT, U.S. Article 5
RELIGION AND MASONRY. Article 6
MASONIC JOTTINGS.—No. 58. Article 7
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 7
MASONIC SAYINGS AND DOINGS ABROAD. Article 8
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 10
Untitled Article 11
MASONIC MEMS. Article 11
UNITED GRAND LODGE. Article 11
Craft Masonry. Article 12
PROVINCIAL. Article 14
INDIA. Article 15
MARK MASONRY. Article 17
MASONIC FESTIVITIES. Article 17
THE MISSION OF MASONRY. Article 18
THE HAREM AND SALAMLIK. Article 18
Poetry. Article 19
LIST OF LODGE MEETINGS &c., FOR WEEK ENDING MARCH 4TH, 1871. Article 20
METROPOLITAN LODGES AND CHAPTERS OF INSTRUCTION. Article 20
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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The Grand Lodge Of Scotland, And The St. John's Lodge Memorial.

plate , as he had performed thafc duty on several previous occasions ; to Avhich the Grand Secretary replied thafc lie did nofc anticipate any objections would be made to bhe request . No blame can be attached fco the late Grand Secretary for nofc

informing the Grand Master of Sfc . John ' s claims . fco the exclusive right of precedence in such cases : he could net be expected to do so , Avhen Sfc . John ' s Lodge had never insisted on these , or ever brought themiforward ( pro forma ) on former occasions when fche Grand Lodge Avas presiding afc demonstrations in the Western Province .

The above are the facts of the case as elicited by your Sub-Commifcfcee . There can be bufc one opinion as to the desirability of some measure being . adopted which shall allay in future the irritation which has sprung up in reference to the right ; or

honour as to who shall carry the working tools , & c , of Grand Lodge . The Journeyman Lodge , at conclusion of their answers state , that " they are not unwilling to enter into an arrangement . whereby the present privileges of the lodge may

be preserved intact , bufc they are also willing thafc such other plan be arranged as -will enable any operative lodge in the Province to enjoy the privilege on intimating a desire to that effect to the Grand Secretary within a reasonable time

previous to the date of the ceremony , and that the same be intimated to the lodge No . 8 . " Bro . Porteous' motion which comes up for discussion afc next quarterly communication ( i . e ., on 6 fch Feb .

1871 ) of Grand Lodge , also seeks to have ifc enacted that " in Provinces out of the Metropolitan district the Avorking tools shall be carried by the Senior Operative Lodge , or failing avhich , the oldest Lodge in fche district on Grand Lodge Roll . "

The Sub-Committee are of opinion that the adoption of either of these motions will not secure a harmonious and lasting decision of the question at issue . Both motions seek to maintain , and that in a new law , a distinction between Operative and

Speculative Masonry , which is not , and has not been recognized by our own or other Grand Lodges for many years past ; and by giving this preference to the elder , they would effectually exclude the younger lodges from the privilege in

question , though it cannot be disputed , thafc they are quite ^ entitled to participate along Avith the older lodges in all honours Grand Lodge has to bestow . Your Committee , in concluding this report ,

The Grand Lodge Of Scotland, And The St. John's Lodge Memorial.

Avould venture to suggest that the simplest and fairest way to settle the point at issue , and secure peace and harmony in future , would be , Avhile allowing the Journeymen Lodge the privilege they have hitherto enjoyed of carrying the working

tools aud other paraphernalia of Grand Lodge in the metropolitan district , that , if it is the wish of the Provincial Grand Lodge of Glasgow—which forms a large and influential section of our Craft , aud Avhose opinions and requests

must always meet Avith brotherly consideration from Grand Lodo-e—that Sfc . John ' s should have the same privilege in that Province the honour should be conceded to No . 3 = there and . in any other

place or Province Avhen the Grand Lodge is officiating , the Grand Master , or the brother acting for him , shall have the poAver of fixing on the Lodge or Lodges to carry the tools , & c , for the occasion , and his decision should nofc be open to

review . This course was adopted by the Earl of Dalhousie afc Forfar in 1869 , when he divided fche honour between the two Lodges of the town in which the demonstration took place , and which arrangement gave general satisfaction to all

parties concerned . Reported by , ( Signed ) ALEX . HAT , DAVID KINNEAE , WILLIAM HAY .

The foregoing Report was submitted to Grand . Lodge at Quarterly Communication on 6 th February , 1871 , and adopted without fche suggestions contained at the close thereof . As fco the motion of Bro . Porfceous , above referred to , owing to his

absence on 6 th February , ifc fell through . Consequently the general arrangement as to carrying working tools for the future has yet to be made .

Separation Of G. Commandery Of Virginia From The G. Encampment, U.S.

SEPARATION OF G . COMMANDERY OF VIRGINIA FROM THE G . ENCAMPMENT , U . S .

The Committee on a separation of the Knights Templar of Virginia , from the Grand Encampment of the United States , appointed in December , 1869 , reported at the last Annual Conclave , held December 15 th , u ! t ., and the report was adopted .

After detailing at great length their discontent , and the reasons therefor , the report concluded Avith fche folloAving preamble and resolutions ;—

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