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The Masonic Mirror.

garbled manner in which those reports are presented to the Craft . " The official reporter he believed to be a most able man , who had been connected with the Times for thirty years , and he felt that any report which be gave would be always fair and impartial . Without' specifying any one by name , Bro . Binckes insinuated that some Grand Officer or Officers garbled these reports before they were sent out to the Craft . Having " vindicated his character , " he said he should withdraw his

motion . In reply to Bro . Gregory , the Grand Master said it was not competent for Bro . Binckes to withdraw his motion without permission of Grand Lodge . Bro . Havers saicl be had examined the report in question , and it contained not one single word ivhich was not to be found in the shorthand writer ' s notes . ( Hear , hear , bear ) . He hurled back upon Bro . Binckes the insinuation which he threw out of " garbling" with respect to these reports , on the parfc of the executive , as

a base-fabrication . ( Sensation ) . Neither himself nor auy Officer of Grand Lodge , except the one who had charge of these reports , had at all interfered with them . ( Hear , bear ) . Bro . AVhitmore—In reply to an unseemly interruption on the part of Bro , Havers , at [ an earlier stage of our proceedings , I said that I pitied him for the observation he had made ; but now I would say , if it be not unmasonic , that I despise him . ( Oh , oh ! aucl loud cries of Shame ! and Order !) If a brother gets

up in this Grand Lodge , I have a perfect right to reply to his observations . The Grand Master—Not unless you withdraw your unmasonic observations . ( Cheers ) , i Bro . AYhitinore—May I ask your lordship if " base fabrication " be a Masonic observation ? ( " Hear , " aud two cheers from the Observer party ) . The Grand Master—Any assertion that cannot be substantiated , is unmasonic , ( Cheers ) . Bro . AVhitmore—And if I can substantiate what I say , shall I be equally in order ? The Grand Master—You can never be in order in saying that you despise Bro , Tfavp . va .

Bro . AVhitmore—If you say it is irregular , of course I withdraw it . The Grand Master—I say it is move than irregular , it is disorderly and unmasonic , ( Hear , hear ) . Bro . AVhitmore—I am quite sure his lordship gives me no indulgence , but as the expression is declared to be unmasonic , of course I withdraw it . ( Hear , hear ) . Bro . AVhitmore then came to the question , and saicl , his own observations having been grossly misrepresented in the minutes alluded tohe should support Bro . Binckes

, , as he would rather have no report at all than a garbled one . Bro . Roxburgh having been present on the occasion alluded to , and having read the passage to which objection had been made , declared that the report was fair and accurate , and that there was no garbling or misreporting whatever in the case . If they were to report all Bro . Binckes ' s observations , these minutes ivould fill volumes instead of sheets . ( Laughter ) . Such motions ought not to be allowed to be put upon the paperunless it could be shown that the executive hacl in some

, way violated their duty . Bro . Stebbing deprecated these gross personalities , which were highly discreditable to them in Grand Lodge , ancl would appear still more so ivhen they got into print . ( Hear , bear . ) He hoped the authorities ivould consider the propriety of prohibiting auy publication whatever of the proceedings of Grand Lodge . ( Hear , hear . ) Bro . Lord Panmure , D . G . M , —My lord , I wish to makea few remarks on the motion

of Bro . Binckes , ancl the speech of the brother who has just sat down . I am old enough to remember when the authoritative publication of our proceedings under the sanction of Grand Loclge was first adopted by Grand Loclge ; and I think , if my memory fails me not , it was adopted in consequence of garbled reports which , appeared in spurious publications , giving rise to much internal disputation within the walls of Grand Lodge . It was theu determined that a report , on the authority of Grand Lodge , should go forth of all its proceedings , ancl thafc that should be the means of rectifying auy evil complained of by the Craffc at large , viz ., that they were in ignorance of ivhat passed within these walls . I believe that up to the present

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The Masonic Mirror.

garbled manner in which those reports are presented to the Craft . " The official reporter he believed to be a most able man , who had been connected with the Times for thirty years , and he felt that any report which be gave would be always fair and impartial . Without' specifying any one by name , Bro . Binckes insinuated that some Grand Officer or Officers garbled these reports before they were sent out to the Craft . Having " vindicated his character , " he said he should withdraw his

motion . In reply to Bro . Gregory , the Grand Master said it was not competent for Bro . Binckes to withdraw his motion without permission of Grand Lodge . Bro . Havers saicl be had examined the report in question , and it contained not one single word ivhich was not to be found in the shorthand writer ' s notes . ( Hear , hear , bear ) . He hurled back upon Bro . Binckes the insinuation which he threw out of " garbling" with respect to these reports , on the parfc of the executive , as

a base-fabrication . ( Sensation ) . Neither himself nor auy Officer of Grand Lodge , except the one who had charge of these reports , had at all interfered with them . ( Hear , bear ) . Bro . AVhitmore—In reply to an unseemly interruption on the part of Bro , Havers , at [ an earlier stage of our proceedings , I said that I pitied him for the observation he had made ; but now I would say , if it be not unmasonic , that I despise him . ( Oh , oh ! aucl loud cries of Shame ! and Order !) If a brother gets

up in this Grand Lodge , I have a perfect right to reply to his observations . The Grand Master—Not unless you withdraw your unmasonic observations . ( Cheers ) , i Bro . AYhitinore—May I ask your lordship if " base fabrication " be a Masonic observation ? ( " Hear , " aud two cheers from the Observer party ) . The Grand Master—Any assertion that cannot be substantiated , is unmasonic , ( Cheers ) . Bro . AVhitmore—And if I can substantiate what I say , shall I be equally in order ? The Grand Master—You can never be in order in saying that you despise Bro , Tfavp . va .

Bro . AVhitmore—If you say it is irregular , of course I withdraw it . The Grand Master—I say it is move than irregular , it is disorderly and unmasonic , ( Hear , hear ) . Bro . AVhitmore—I am quite sure his lordship gives me no indulgence , but as the expression is declared to be unmasonic , of course I withdraw it . ( Hear , hear ) . Bro . AVhitmore then came to the question , and saicl , his own observations having been grossly misrepresented in the minutes alluded tohe should support Bro . Binckes

, , as he would rather have no report at all than a garbled one . Bro . Roxburgh having been present on the occasion alluded to , and having read the passage to which objection had been made , declared that the report was fair and accurate , and that there was no garbling or misreporting whatever in the case . If they were to report all Bro . Binckes ' s observations , these minutes ivould fill volumes instead of sheets . ( Laughter ) . Such motions ought not to be allowed to be put upon the paperunless it could be shown that the executive hacl in some

, way violated their duty . Bro . Stebbing deprecated these gross personalities , which were highly discreditable to them in Grand Lodge , ancl would appear still more so ivhen they got into print . ( Hear , bear . ) He hoped the authorities ivould consider the propriety of prohibiting auy publication whatever of the proceedings of Grand Lodge . ( Hear , hear . ) Bro . Lord Panmure , D . G . M , —My lord , I wish to makea few remarks on the motion

of Bro . Binckes , ancl the speech of the brother who has just sat down . I am old enough to remember when the authoritative publication of our proceedings under the sanction of Grand Loclge was first adopted by Grand Loclge ; and I think , if my memory fails me not , it was adopted in consequence of garbled reports which , appeared in spurious publications , giving rise to much internal disputation within the walls of Grand Lodge . It was theu determined that a report , on the authority of Grand Lodge , should go forth of all its proceedings , ancl thafc that should be the means of rectifying auy evil complained of by the Craffc at large , viz ., that they were in ignorance of ivhat passed within these walls . I believe that up to the present

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